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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2015, 07:40:37 AM »

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I don't think anyone here has said otherwise j4M.


People on here have said the word of God it when the Spirit speaks to us, and only then can we know it.
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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2015, 07:52:47 AM »
I agree that Scripture speaks directly to you and that yes you can read Scripture that you have read many times before and it goes bam as I would put it.
However, Scripture also is written form of God speaking directly to the people at the time having been written down after the event.

We know that through the gifts of the Holy Spirit that God also speaks directly to us saints in the now.  This too is the Word of God.  Let alone all the work Jesus did that wasn't wrote down, as there isn't enough paper for that, does it make what He did which isn't written down null and void of being the Word?

The Word of God is not restricted to Scripture alone. 
Yet, all the Scripture and Word of God works together as part of God's bigger 'picture' so to speak, so one would attest to the other.

The Bible is God speaking directly to me.
God also speaks directly to me not via the Bible.

In fact, God spoke to me directly way way way before He did via the Bible/Church/People, I have always walked with God and had a relationship with Him from a very young age.

How receptive to God speaking to saints via any means is dependant on many things for Christians, many things can get in the way and one of which is not even being aware of HOW your spirit within attests to those things of God's spirit. 

The Bible gives you clues to this, i.e. the Emmaus Walk....the 2 disciples hearts were burning when Jesus was speaking with them on that walk, and yet at the time they were doing that they didn't react to it, or recognise Jesus.  Was only after the event they said 'didn't our hearts burn within us when He was talking to us about the Scriptures' paraphrased.

Now you would think that something which is a physical manifestation effectively of hearing the Word of God would have stopped them in their tracks, and yet they 'at the time' overlooked it!



You, Just like TJs, have missed the whole point, and I think you only want to argue.
The word of God, is the word of God, whether by scripture or Spirit.
And the point is, By the word of God, we can know the end result. So what's all this nonsense about, "having  to go way beyond mere , "knowing stuff"??.
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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2015, 07:59:08 AM »
I agree that Scripture speaks directly to you and that yes you can read Scripture that you have read many times before and it goes bam as I would put it.
However, Scripture also is written form of God speaking directly to the people at the time having been written down after the event.

We know that through the gifts of the Holy Spirit that God also speaks directly to us saints in the now.  This too is the Word of God.  Let alone all the work Jesus did that wasn't wrote down, as there isn't enough paper for that, does it make what He did which isn't written down null and void of being the Word?

The Word of God is not restricted to Scripture alone. 
Yet, all the Scripture and Word of God works together as part of God's bigger 'picture' so to speak, so one would attest to the other.

The Bible is God speaking directly to me.
God also speaks directly to me not via the Bible.

In fact, God spoke to me directly way way way before He did via the Bible/Church/People, I have always walked with God and had a relationship with Him from a very young age.

How receptive to God speaking to saints via any means is dependant on many things for Christians, many things can get in the way and one of which is not even being aware of HOW your spirit within attests to those things of God's spirit. 

The Bible gives you clues to this, i.e. the Emmaus Walk....the 2 disciples hearts were burning when Jesus was speaking with them on that walk, and yet at the time they were doing that they didn't react to it, or recognise Jesus.  Was only after the event they said 'didn't our hearts burn within us when He was talking to us about the Scriptures' paraphrased.

Now you would think that something which is a physical manifestation effectively of hearing the Word of God would have stopped them in their tracks, and yet they 'at the time' overlooked it!


The Bible is our guideline and our safeguard, if we are looking for a spirit to speak to us, the devil will oblige us, to many people are looking for a spiritual revelation, when all then time, God has spoke to us through His word, the Bible.
God does speak to us, through the word of Wisdom and the word of Knowledge, But Peter said the scriptures are a more sure word.
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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2015, 08:06:55 AM »
Faith come by knowing, Rom 10: 17, and knowing comes by hearing. It doesn't go beyond "Knowing stuff", as you said.
And those who do know, will always have the victory, [If they believe].


In your desperation to trash everything I post J4M, you have just contradicted yourself and agreed with what I said.

You said, "it doesn't go beyond "knowing stuff"" then you add the words (If they believe), which is an admission that we have to go beyond merely knowing stuff!

Make your mind up J4M.

What saddens me is that even when I post in agreement with your OP, your antipathy makes you so blind that you completely misread anything I write! But such is life.

As I pointed out, the whole of Jericho knew exactly the same stuff that Rahab knew. If simply knowing stuff was sufficient, then all Jericho should be in the same place as Rahab. Rahab was the only one in that city who went beyond mere "knowing".

Likewise, all 12 spies knew the same stuff as Joshua and Caleb, but knowing that stuff did not produce the same results for the other ten. Joshua and Caleb were the only spies who went beyond mere "knowing".

To go places in God, we have to go way beyond merely "knowing" stuff!


If you knew anything about "Knowing, and faith", you would know that faith IS KNOWING. You misunderstand me, just like you misunderstand the Bible.

You have missed the whole point, It was by knowing the end result, [And faith is knowing], that those people got the victory.
You just want to argue.
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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2015, 08:16:07 AM »
So these born again christians having read the scriptures already know the truth. But merely knowing that truth does nothing for them, until they open their minds and make their spirits teachable to the Lord.
Thanks for confirming what I and others have said.


As I told you in my previous post, You just want to argue.
Once a person has known the truth, by having an open mind and a teachable spirit, then they will know the end result.
But to many Christians wont open their minds or let the Holy Spirit teach them, because they don't want to change what they believe.
For instance, Some people believe God will heal, If he wants to, or if it's His time, or God puts sickness on people to teach them something. And instead of believing the Bible, Isaiah 53: 3--5. Matt 8: 16--17. 1 Pet 2: 24, they close their minds to those scriptures. Then there is no way that the Holy Spirit can reveal truth to them, Until they are willing to accept the truth.
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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2015, 08:22:41 AM »


Yes but heals us of what >?

I have seen many healings and been to many healing meetings - yet their are many who are not healed

Yes I will be healed obviously - as once I am with the Lord - I will be as He

Even then I will not be ......as He is - but as He makes me


Does because some people fail to receive healing, Change God's word??. NO.. NO..

How can you be healed when you are with the Lord??. You wont have a physical body to heal. And God is talking about divine healing for the physical body.

You obviously don't know the end result, as concerning healing, as Knowing is believing, and believing is knowing, and because faith knows, it says. [I'm healed].
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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #30 on: December 21, 2015, 09:45:21 AM »


You, Just like TJs, have missed the whole point, and I think you only want to argue.
The word of God, is the word of God, whether by scripture or Spirit.
And the point is, By the word of God, we can know the end result. So what's all this nonsense about, "having  to go way beyond mere , "knowing stuff"??.

Well you need to get your thinking in check, because no....I don't only want to argue, this is called 'discussing' Jesus4me.  Don't reduce yet another thread to mud slinging.

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The word of God, is the word of God, whether by scripture or Spirit.

Don't disagree.

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And the point is, By the word of God, we can know the end result. So what's all this nonsense about, "having  to go way beyond mere , "knowing stuff"??.

And my point is, there is a difference between having head knowledge of scripture and that scripture being laid on the heart.  Bit like a difference between tree of knowledge and tree of life.
If people are not open to the scriptures being made alive and active and relevant, then they are not going to activate those scriptures are they? as in, God will not force Himself on people, so unless people are open or have a willing, teachable spirit, then that knowledge will not go from the head to the heart.

So yes there is a difference in knowing....there is knowing in the brain and knowing in your heart and soul.
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The Bible is our guideline and our safeguard, if we are looking for a spirit to speak to us, the devil will oblige us, to many people are looking for a spiritual revelation, when all then time, God has spoke to us through His word, the Bible.
God does speak to us, through the word of Wisdom and the word of Knowledge, But Peter said the scriptures are a more sure word.

I don't look for any old spirit to speak to me J4M, I look to God, so don't reduce it to something devilish.  God has got me thus far in my life, not the devil.
To limit the word of God to the scriptures alone is wrong.  I wont dismiss the gifts of the Holy Spirit, or God being active with His children through them, because you said so...lol no no that's not gonna happen.

Peter said the scriptures are a more 'sure word' than the Rhema Word...really? we dismiss the Rhema Word....show me in context where Peter said that.

If people are not to believe the Rhema Word when it is given, then why would they expect to receive any supernatural healing, if the other supernatural aspects of God are to be ignored J4M? ... its not one rule for one aspect and a different for the others.






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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2015, 11:45:28 AM »
Well you need to get your thinking in check, because no....I don't only want to argue, this is called 'discussing' Jesus4me.  Don't reduce yet another thread to mud slinging.

Don't disagree.

And my point is, there is a difference between having head knowledge of scripture and that scripture being laid on the heart.  Bit like a difference between tree of knowledge and tree of life.
If people are not open to the scriptures being made alive and active and relevant, then they are not going to activate those scriptures are they? as in, God will not force Himself on people, so unless people are open or have a willing, teachable spirit, then that knowledge will not go from the head to the heart.

So yes there is a difference in knowing....there is knowing in the brain and knowing in your heart and soul.
I don't look for any old spirit to speak to me J4M, I look to God, so don't reduce it to something devilish.  God has got me thus far in my life, not the devil.
To limit the word of God to the scriptures alone is wrong.  I wont dismiss the gifts of the Holy Spirit, or God being active with His children through them, because you said so...lol no no that's not gonna happen.

Peter said the scriptures are a more 'sure word' than the Rhema Word...really? we dismiss the Rhema Word....show me in context where Peter said that.

If people are not to believe the Rhema Word when it is given, then why would they expect to receive any supernatural healing, if the other supernatural aspects of God are to be ignored J4M? ... its not one rule for one aspect and a different for the others.


It looks like you are trying to sling mud.

I'm not talking about head knowledge, I'm talking about a heart revelation, PLEASE read my original post,
"People who KNEW the end result", You can only know the end result by getting the revelation.

You don't need to look for "Any old spirit", they will con you as you look for revelations.

I have said that the word of God and knowing it, comes from the scriptures and the Spirit's revelations.
You always want to argue.
Knowing the end result, is knowing the end result, whether by knowing the scriptures or by the revelations from the Holy Spirit. IT's as simple as that, But you want to argue instead of agreeing.
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