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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2015, 05:26:26 PM »

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That's it you see,  a lot of the testimony of The Word [Jesus] in  scripture is created by The Lord speaking directly to people and they acting on that.

I then read scripture and try to apply that scripture but cannot understand why it does not work out exactly as it did in the bible !


what is it ?  James 1:22  do not just read the word - do as it says,..........[my translation]   so I open the word and read "God created the heavens and the earth" or "Judas hung himself"



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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2015, 07:12:26 PM »
You can be the best theologian in the world (knowing scripture) ... this does not mean that a theologian is a Christian J4M, I thought you of all people would understand that.  It is the Spirit of God which brings or takes you into the depth of scripture.

If someone is not born again of the Spirit, then the word cannot divide soul and spirit.  This is why personal testimony has so much power when speaking to none Christians rather than throwing various scriptures their way.



I'm not talking about unbelievers or theologians, I'm talking about born again Christians who know the truth, and the truth will set us free, Jn 8: 31--32.
How many times have you read a scripture, then the next time you read it, a revelation jumped out at you, Then you know what it meant.
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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2015, 07:20:50 PM »
That's it you see,  a lot of the testimony of The Word [Jesus] in  scripture is created by The Lord speaking directly to people and they acting on that.

I then read scripture and try to apply that scripture but cannot understand why it does not work out exactly as it did in the bible !


what is it ?  James 1:22  do not just read the word - do as it says,..........[my translation]   so I open the word and read "God created the heavens and the earth" or "Judas hung himself"


The Bible is God speaking directly to you, For instance, God says He is the Lord that heals us, Ex 15: 26,  Who heals all our diseases, Ps 103: 3. And once you know that, you can speak the end result, which is, "I AM HEALED".
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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2015, 08:22:16 PM »
I agree that Scripture speaks directly to you and that yes you can read Scripture that you have read many times before and it goes bam as I would put it.
However, Scripture also is written form of God speaking directly to the people at the time having been written down after the event.

We know that through the gifts of the Holy Spirit that God also speaks directly to us saints in the now.  This too is the Word of God.  Let alone all the work Jesus did that wasn't wrote down, as there isn't enough paper for that, does it make what He did which isn't written down null and void of being the Word?

The Word of God is not restricted to Scripture alone. 
Yet, all the Scripture and Word of God works together as part of God's bigger 'picture' so to speak, so one would attest to the other.

The Bible is God speaking directly to me.
God also speaks directly to me not via the Bible.

In fact, God spoke to me directly way way way before He did via the Bible/Church/People, I have always walked with God and had a relationship with Him from a very young age.

How receptive to God speaking to saints via any means is dependant on many things for Christians, many things can get in the way and one of which is not even being aware of HOW your spirit within attests to those things of God's spirit. 

The Bible gives you clues to this, i.e. the Emmaus Walk....the 2 disciples hearts were burning when Jesus was speaking with them on that walk, and yet at the time they were doing that they didn't react to it, or recognise Jesus.  Was only after the event they said 'didn't our hearts burn within us when He was talking to us about the Scriptures' paraphrased.

Now you would think that something which is a physical manifestation effectively of hearing the Word of God would have stopped them in their tracks, and yet they 'at the time' overlooked it!

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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2015, 09:09:53 PM »

The word of God is the word of God, whether  it's revealed by the Holy Spirit, or by scriptures.

I don't think anyone here has said otherwise j4M.
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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2015, 09:46:48 PM »
NO, You said,
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"In my view Dave, the verses posted by J4M have to go way beyond mere "knowing" stuff, otherwise victory would be the daily experience of all Christians". [End quote]

Faith come by knowing, Rom 10: 17, and knowing comes by hearing. It doesn't go beyond "Knowing stuff", as you said.
And those who do know, will always have the victory, [If they believe].

In your desperation to trash everything I post J4M, you have just contradicted yourself and agreed with what I said.

You said, "it doesn't go beyond "knowing stuff"" then you add the words (If they believe), which is an admission that we have to go beyond merely knowing stuff!

Make your mind up J4M.

What saddens me is that even when I post in agreement with your OP, your antipathy makes you so blind that you completely misread anything I write! But such is life.

As I pointed out, the whole of Jericho knew exactly the same stuff that Rahab knew. If simply knowing stuff was sufficient, then all Jericho should be in the same place as Rahab. Rahab was the only one in that city who went beyond mere "knowing".

Likewise, all 12 spies knew the same stuff as Joshua and Caleb, but knowing that stuff did not produce the same results for the other ten. Joshua and Caleb were the only spies who went beyond mere "knowing".

To go places in God, we have to go way beyond merely "knowing" stuff!

Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2015, 09:56:32 PM »


I'm not talking about unbelievers or theologians, I'm talking about born again Christians who know the truth, and the truth will set us free, Jn 8: 31--32.
How many times have you read a scripture, then the next time you read it, a revelation jumped out at you, Then you know what it meant.
The Holy Spirit will reveal truth to a person with an open mind and a teachable spirit.

So these born again christians having read the scriptures already know the truth. But merely knowing that truth does nothing for them, until they open their minds and make their spirits teachable to the Lord.
Thanks for confirming what I and others have said.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2015, 11:13:47 PM »
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The Bible is God speaking directly to you, For instance, God says He is the Lord that heals us, Ex 15: 26,  Who heals all our diseases, Ps 103: 3. And once you know that, you can speak the end result, which is, "I AM HEALED".

Yes but heals us of what >?

I have seen many healings and been to many healing meetings - yet their are many who are not healed

Yes I will be healed obviously - as once I am with the Lord - I will be as He

Even then I will not be ......as He is - but as He makes me

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