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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: What do you think of Christmas ?
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2017, 03:40:25 AM »

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Re: What do you think of Christmas ?
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2017, 10:50:29 AM »
TJ,
 "Seeing that scripture aligns Christmas with the three Kings and the shepherds and the birth of Jesus at the wrong date = being aligned by the Church.
Can we trust scripture /the Word/   ?"

The bible doesn't aligne 3 kings, & shepards together at Christmas.

The shepherds are linked with the birth of Jesus, but the wise men, no numbers specified found the house where the 'child', not baby, was living. Note how Herod had found out when the 'star' appeared and slaughtered All boys 2years old and under.

We can trust what the bible say, but we cannot trust public or church traditions about Christmas.


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Re: What do you think of Christmas ?
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2017, 04:44:18 PM »
Seeing that scripture aligns Christmas with the three Kings and the shepherds and the birth of Jesus at the wrong date = being aligned by the Church.

Can we trust scripture /the Word/   ?


I am now hopping intio peoples minds and thoughts [niot that your thoughts or beliefs change anything]



why is 25th Dec the wrong date - so who knows better - has no one heard about the world famous Wirral Christian Christmas tree that could not be fooled as regards the birthday of Jesus even when the calendar was changed - wincam
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Offline francis drake

Re: What do you think of Christmas ?
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2017, 11:02:48 PM »

why is 25th Dec the wrong date - so who knows better - has no one heard about the world famous Wirral Christian Christmas tree that could not be fooled as regards the birthday of Jesus even when the calendar was changed - wincam

If Jesus Christ wasn?t born on December 25, does the Bible indicate when He was born? The biblical accounts point to the fall of the year as the most likely time of Jesus? birth, based on the conception and birth of John the Baptist.
Since Elizabeth (John?s mother) was in her sixth month of pregnancy when Jesus was conceived (Luke 1:24-36), we can determine the approximate time of year Jesus was born if we know when John was born. John?s father, Zacharias, was a priest serving in the Jerusalem temple during the course of Abijah (Luke 1:5). Historical calculations indicate this course of service corresponded to June 13-19 in that year.
 
It was during this time of temple service that Zacharias learned that he and his wife, Elizabeth, would have a child (Luke 1:8-13). After he completed his service and travelled home, Elizabeth conceived (Luke 1:23-24). Assuming John?s conception took place near the end of June, adding nine months brings us to the end of March as the most likely time for John?s birth. Adding another six months (the difference in ages between John and Jesus (Luke 1:35-36)) brings us to the end of September as the likely time of Jesus? birth.

Joseph and Mary travelled to Bethlehem because of a Roman Census. It is highly unlikely that the Roman governor would command that people travel great distances for a census in the dead of winter that December 25th puts it.
Many of the roads and rivers would be impassable, and the bad weather would cause many to lose their lives.

The census is unlikely to be in mid summer because all workers would be needed for gathering the harvest, an  essential necessity for feeding even the Romans occupation troops. I therefore on several accounts believe it is far more likely that the census would be called after the gathering of the harvest.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: What do you think of Christmas ?
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2017, 12:29:22 AM »
TJ,
 "Seeing that scripture aligns Christmas with the three Kings and the shepherds and the birth of Jesus at the wrong date = being aligned by the Church.
Can we trust scripture /the Word/   ?"

The bible doesn't aligne 3 kings, & shepards together at Christmas.

The shepherds are linked with the birth of Jesus, but the wise men, no numbers specified found the house where the 'child', not baby, was living. Note how Herod had found out when the 'star' appeared and slaughtered All boys 2years old and under.

We can trust what the bible say, but we cannot trust public or church traditions about Christmas.

Yes I know  - just dangling a carrot or is it fish bait ? [yes bait is more scriptural  :D  ]


why is 25th Dec the wrong date - so who knows better - has no one heard about the world famous Wirral Christian Christmas tree that could not be fooled as regards the birthday of Jesus even when the calendar was changed - wincam

Well the timelines between nations are so different and tradiitons vary.

To align the specific day by date and time ....

In the same way we worship everyday or once a week saturday or sunday or monday.

Morning or evening or both or all week...

I think it was maybe closer and affter the   spring when Jesus was born.

It does not really matter the date or time or variations around the world.


The fact is - He was born on this earth as a person - yet God - but it is far more important "that and when He is born in us"

I was reborn - or expereinced Jesus in me - the spring at the age of 21 - this is my rebirthday [obviously none of you would be bothered to celebrate my rebirthday] as you would rather celebrate the birth of Jesus [as He began to be born in hearts -  future /present and past] oops opened a can of worms ....[fish bait]

ahh noo - non educated people again - why would you follow non educated people ?

I mean can you go any lower than fishermen at that time .. ahh yes maybe tax collectors - or lets follow a past
pharisee who murdered Christians !

My rebirthday is more important to me than any 25th december - as it is the day when God walked in for the first time.

Mind you - I am excited about this Christmas [as I can play with my grandchild and spend time with him]

This excites me more than anything else...

I must be careful not to make him - about Christmas.

Christmas is really about God in me - everyday of the year [yes the perfect answer - I know]   :angel:

Should have gone to sunday school as a child [I would have been the perfect child - saying "Jesus for every question"

But I was never brought up like this and only went to sunday school once "and I hated it"

Sorry I do not fit into the norm




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Re: What do you think of Christmas ?
« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2017, 05:03:32 PM »

We make big events out of Christmas and Easter because there are lots of traditional foods and activities that go with them. Pentecost should be at least as important as Christmas, yet it is very much neglected. Why do you think this is?

Unfortunately mention of Pentecost and the Holy Spirit does cause problems reminds me of this little story:

A little boy stops in front of a church with his bike just as the Minister comes out.
The Minister says "Come on inside, I want to show you something".
The little boy says to the Minister, "But somebody may pinch my bike".
So the Minister says to him "Don't worry, the Holy Spirit will watch over it".
So the little boy goes inside and the Minister says to him, "Let me show you how to do the sign of the cross.
In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, Amen.
Now you try it".
So the boy says, "In the name of the Father and the Son, Amen".
"What happened to the Holy Spirit?" says the Minster.
The little boy replied "He's outside, looking after my bike".

And that sometimes, is just where we like to keep the Holy Spirit, outside our lives and outside our churches. Any teaching on this subject of the Holy Spirit tends to create fear and confusion in the hearts and minds of some.

Offline francis drake

Re: What do you think of Christmas ?
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2018, 02:49:54 PM »

Easter was originally linked to the Jewish Passover (although the churches calculate the date differently, so these days they don't always coincide). And because Jesus died on a Friday and rose on a Sunday, we stick to those days of the week (unlike Passover, which can vary)
Claiming that Jesus died on Friday and rose on Sunday is not the three days and three nights in the grave that Jesus declared. That fact alone ought to be sufficient to warn Christians they are being deceived into pagan fertility cult worship.

Likewise the following linked article, one amongst many, should warn Christians that Christmas is pagan worship.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5229915/Ancient-temple-god-Mithras-aligns-sun.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5229915/Ancient-temple-god-Mithras-aligns-sun.html
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: What do you think of Christmas ?
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2018, 07:45:48 PM »
I looked into Christmas this year. I just suddenly felt uncomfortable about the whole thing being a pagan holiday and why do we bring in an out door tree into our homes? I looked into it. I found that it was a pagan holiday but I also found that Christians used the same time to celebrate Jesus's birth and the tree represented God and His all sufficiency for our needs. The dried fruit they used to hang, ( we now use tree decorations ) representing our food which God blesses us with. The branches  like the shelter he provides.So I grasped that idea and chose decorations that represented those things so i used stars to represent the star that shone above Bethlehem when Jesus was born and decorations which had strong meaning like that so there were no dangling father Christmases or elf's or fairies.
As a family we took communion before opening up our gifts.
I agree Christmas and Easter has got far to commercialized we are quite gullible to allow media to manipulated us into spending our money in this way. Next year i have decided to have a low key present buying session.
I do feel that we should remember Jesus coming to save us every day of the year but it is nice to have a platform we can use to tell people about Jesus. 

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