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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #800 on: September 18, 2017, 04:15:09 PM »
Hi
Coming towards the end now it has been a wonderful journey many twists and turns hopefully we have learned some thing along the way.
Moving on to the last chapter.

Rev 22:1  And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2  In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev 22:3  And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
   


I have always considered the water of life to be the word of God so I take this to mean that the word we hear will be pure direct from the throne not interpreted by other men how wonderful will that be.

I take this time to be after the millenium yet we see that the nations still need healing dose this mean that outside the new Jerusalem there are still those who need saving I do hope so it means as many as possible will have an opportunity to be saved we certainly do have a God who Loves everybody.

No more curse I take this to mean the curse that Adam received at the fall resulting in death how wonderful it will be when the curse is lifted.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #801 on: September 23, 2017, 02:44:20 PM »
Hi
Moving on to the next section

Rev 22:4  And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
Rev 22:5  And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 22:6  And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
Rev 22:7  Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
   


Isn't that a wonderful thought we will see his face we will be with him we will have the honour of carrying his name in eternity in the new heaven and earth he has created.

How wonderful to be bathed in that glorious light and to reign with him for eternity.

then we have the witness of the angel to John that all these things are faithful and true so we can be absolutely sure that everything we have read will come to pass and if we keep the sayings an prophecies of this book we will surely be blessed.

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Dave

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #802 on: October 04, 2017, 10:57:26 AM »
Hi
Moving on to the next section

Rev 22:4  And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
Rev 22:5  And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 22:6  And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
Rev 22:7  Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
   


Isn't that a wonderful thought we will see his face we will be with him we will have the honour of carrying his name in eternity in the new heaven and earth he has created.

How wonderful to be bathed in that glorious light and to reign with him for eternity.

then we have the witness of the angel to John that all these things are faithful and true so we can be absolutely sure that everything we have read will come to pass and if we keep the sayings an prophecies of this book we will surely be blessed.

Love and Peace
Dave

What most people don`t understand is that which you think is going to happen has already happened.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #803 on: October 04, 2017, 02:18:40 PM »
Hi Copernicus B
Thank you for your post of course you are quite right as we are told in the beginning of revelation's.

Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
   


I believe that revelations has been unfolding for the last 2000 years we are now coming to the end of this study which concerns the new heaven and earth which I believe is still a future event.

This study has bean a long road with many twists and turns and I think we have only scratched the surface maybe we should start again from the beginning :D

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #804 on: October 04, 2017, 03:33:18 PM »
What most people don`t understand is that which you think is going to happen has already happened.

With respect, this is not true, @Copernicus B, for the visions which are given to John, portray the events which will take place in, 'The Lord's Day', or, 'The Day of the Lord' (Rev. 1:10).

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #805 on: October 04, 2017, 04:06:26 PM »
Hi Copernicus B
Thank you for your post of course you are quite right as we are told in the beginning of revelation's.

Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
   


I believe that revelations has been unfolding for the last 2000 years we are now coming to the end of this study which concerns the new heaven and earth which I believe is still a future event.

This study has bean a long road with many twists and turns and I think we have only scratched the surface maybe we should start again from the beginning :D

Love and Peace
Dave

Hello Dave (@davetaff)

I find it strange that you should so readily confirm what @Copernicus B says, when you have not indicated this during our study to date.

'The Revelation of Jesus Christ,
which God gave unto Him,
to shew unto His servants
things which must shortly come to pass;
and He sent and signified it by His angel
unto His servant John: ... '

(Rev 1:1 )

* The words, 'shortly come to pass', or, 'things which must come to pass with speed',

* The speedy fulfilment of these things is shown again in verse 3,

'Blessed is he that readeth,
and they that hear the words of this prophecy,
and keep those things which are written therein:
for the time is at hand.'

(Rev 1:3)

* The words, 'with speed' and 'is near' were not written from the standpoint of the day in which John lived, but from the standpoint from which the visions were seen, that is, in - 'The Day of the Lord'

* Time will be shortened for the elect's sake, the final seven years of Daniel 9 will quickly run their course, and the Lord will rend the heavens and come down. 

* The urgent note is sounded also in Rev. 2:16, 'Repent, or else I will come unto thee quickly', and in Rev. 3:11, 'Behold, I come quickly'. The same meaning must be given here as in Rev.11:14,  'The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly', and the book closes with repeated emphasis upon the nearness of the Lord's coming (Rev.22:1,12,20). Thus helping us to see that the whole book is written from the future standpoint of, 'the Day of the Lord,' and has no historic or prophetic reference to the course of events which have transpired during the interval between John's day and our own day, or on to the day of the Lord itself.

In Christ Jesus
Cariad


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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #806 on: October 05, 2017, 07:05:58 AM »
Hi Copernicus B
Thank you for your post of course you are quite right as we are told in the beginning of revelation's.

Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
   


I believe that revelations has been unfolding for the last 2000 years we are now coming to the end of this study which concerns the new heaven and earth which I believe is still a future event.

This study has bean a long road with many twists and turns and I think we have only scratched the surface maybe we should start again from the beginning :D

Love and Peace
Dave
You may believe that, but scripture disagrees with you. It is clear that John writes about "That which must SOON take place" That is said at the very beginning, and at the end of the book. The time is near he writes, not 2000 years off into the future. You have to consider the audience relevance, that it was written to 7 churches that actually existed at the time. If it wasn`t for them personally but for us 2000 years later, then it would have been pointless to send it to them. The beast was Rome, the 7 kings (One of which IS, you must remember that John said one was alive as he was writing) were the Caesars starting from Julius Caesar. 666 was Caesar Nero. Interestingly enough there is a biblical text that says the number of te beast is 616. They found that in the varying text it was written in Latin instead of Greek, but using the same numerology process they both still came up with Caesar Nero. Nero thought he was a god to be worshiped. I could go on and on, but I think the best thing for me to do is refer all following this thread to Dr Kenneth Gentry on YT, or Bruce Gore. They have many video lectures which covers this subject. Mystery Babylon was Jerusalem, that great city which is spiritually Sodom and Egypt, also where our Lord was crucified, and full of the blood of prophets. If you can`t see John is referring to Jerusalem then I don`t know what to tell you. Incidentally, this was the view of the early church, and even the reformers held this view. The futurist view and the rapture of the church and so forth didn`t exist until the 1800`s when Darby came up with his ideas, which were perpetuated and expanded upon by Schofield. Anyway, peace to all and God bless.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #807 on: October 05, 2017, 11:36:34 AM »
You may believe that, but scripture disagrees with you. It is clear that John writes about "That which must SOON take place" That is said at the very beginning, and at the end of the book. The time is near he writes, not 2000 years off into the future. You have to consider the audience relevance, that it was written to 7 churches that actually existed at the time. If it wasn`t for them personally but for us 2000 years later, then it would have been pointless to send it to them. The beast was Rome, the 7 kings (One of which IS, you must remember that John said one was alive as he was writing) were the Caesars starting from Julius Caesar. 666 was Caesar Nero. Interestingly enough there is a biblical text that says the number of te beast is 616. They found that in the varying text it was written in Latin instead of Greek, but using the same numerology process they both still came up with Caesar Nero. Nero thought he was a god to be worshiped. I could go on and on, but I think the best thing for me to do is refer all following this thread to Dr Kenneth Gentry on YT, or Bruce Gore. They have many video lectures which covers this subject. Mystery Babylon was Jerusalem, that great city which is spiritually Sodom and Egypt, also where our Lord was crucified, and full of the blood of prophets. If you can`t see John is referring to Jerusalem then I don`t know what to tell you. Incidentally, this was the view of the early church, and even the reformers held this view. The futurist view and the rapture of the church and so forth didn`t exist until the 1800`s when Darby came up with his ideas, which were perpetuated and expanded upon by Schofield. Anyway, peace to all and God bless.

Hi Copernicus
I thought I was agreeing with I agree with you about the seven churches.

I can also see Caraids point of view about the day of the Lord of course this could mean jest a sabbath day or the millennium I think it may well be the millennium and John is being shown what will happen during the 2000 years leading up to the millennium.

As for the rapture I believe St Paul makes it quite clear that this will happen at the coming of our Lord.

  1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first   

Love and peace
Dave