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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #80 on: January 05, 2016, 04:39:43 AM »
Jesus never sinned however he became sin for us or Guest
God sees us whether we have sin or not. The difference being proximity. He who serves the sentence of a criminal in his place does not become an offender, he becomes a liberator. Peace.

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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #81 on: January 06, 2016, 01:08:28 AM »
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Jesus was referring to Israel as the prodigal son

Yes I like that metaphor but Do you believe it can be in other contexts ?

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The older brother being the Pharisees, who wouldn`t come into the feast out of judgement of the younger brother

Yes I can see that.

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but I do not agree with you on that one. Peace.

No I did not expect people to agree with this as it was just toying with an idea and I am quite happy that you disagreed  :D

As God cannot look upon sin Habakkuk 1:13; it has been asked in the past "how did God look upon satan when he came before God"

the answer has been "God talks with satan - but did or does not look upon him"

So I was playing around with this notion. to see peoples response.



It is interesting that Israel being the prodigal son [an adulterator/prostitute - picture /metaphor] was the only Bride to commit adultery and no other nation did -  being that no other nation at that time had been chosen by God .

And so the bible we read is mainly  based on one nation and its enemies or "neighbors"  - see:  Mark 12:31; - Matthew 5:44:

The opposing nations could get away with anything and we never see how God was displeased with other nations or how He was jealous of them.

It seems at times that the bible is very focused on one nation ? like it is almost self centered ?

I find the same result in the book of Job "where everything seems to be focused on one man ...



Now lets move back to the message to the Churches or "what the Spirit says to the Churches"

God saw the sin and even within His permissive will -  His people being  a "chosen people"  things within His "Body" the Bride of Christ could not be allowed.....

As a parallel we might look at King David and His sin that God would not allow and the consequences of that sin... [losing his child]

Why could other Kings get away with it and King David could not ?

And so we continue with "the message to the Churches"

Either to a person or a Body/group.





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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #82 on: January 06, 2016, 03:46:21 PM »
Hi All,

I would like to give you a "key" that may help unlock some understandings in the book of Revelation. 

The little scroll in the hand of God that the Lamb takes and reads is the "Lambs book of life."  The writings in that book are the names of those who will be saved.  Jesus must loose the seven seals in order to read the names so that he might call them forth out of the grave (the resurrection.)  This is why John wept, because if no one could be found to read the scroll no one could be saved.  This is what happens when the Lord descends with a shout...it is Jesus calling the names written on the scroll. 

The seven seals are God's judgement upon mankind for sin.  God forestalled these judgement until the end of time (through seven seals) so that Jesus Christ could come and provide a way for all those who called upon his name to be saved.

Hope this helps,

Michael King
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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #83 on: January 07, 2016, 01:44:42 AM »
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Hi All,

I would like to give you a "key" that may help unlock some understandings in the book of Revelation. 

The little scroll in the hand of God that the Lamb takes and reads is the "Lambs book of life."  The writings in that book are the names of those who will be saved.  Jesus must loose the seven seals in order to read the names so that he might call them forth out of the grave (the resurrection.)  This is why John wept, because if no one could be found to read the scroll no one could be saved.  This is what happens when the Lord descends with a shout...it is Jesus calling the names written on the scroll. 

The seven seals are God's judgement upon mankind for sin.  God forestalled these judgement until the end of time (through seven seals) so that Jesus Christ could come and provide a way for all those who called upon his name to be saved.

Hope this helps,

Michael King

So the judgement of God is poured out upon people at the end times ?

So the people still living would receive the Judgement of those since gone ?

I am asking this in a general sense and not in the personal [now tense]   :D


Why would those living receive the Judgement for those dead ?




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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #84 on: January 07, 2016, 03:34:33 AM »
Dear TJ,

As I currently understand it, yes, those living at the time of Jacob's trouble are in for it.  The judgement that Adam and Eve deserved was postponed until Christ could provide a way for us to repent and have our sins forgiven. 

God bless,

Michael
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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #85 on: January 07, 2016, 02:30:07 PM »
Hi All,

I would like to give you a "key" that may help unlock some understandings in the book of Revelation. 

The little scroll in the hand of God that the Lamb takes and reads is the "Lambs book of life."  The writings in that book are the names of those who will be saved.  Jesus must loose the seven seals in order to read the names so that he might call them forth out of the grave (the resurrection.)  This is why John wept, because if no one could be found to read the scroll no one could be saved.  This is what happens when the Lord descends with a shout...it is Jesus calling the names written on the scroll. 

The seven seals are God's judgement upon mankind for sin.  God forestalled these judgement until the end of time (through seven seals) so that Jesus Christ could come and provide a way for all those who called upon his name to be saved.

Hope this helps,

Michael King

Hi Michael
A bit confused are you saying the book with the seven seals and the book of life are one and the same I see them as two separate books.
the book with the seven seals starts by releasing the four horses the seals represent Gods judgements, those who's names are in the book of life are those who's sins are forgiven they are clothed in white they do not come under judgement.

 Rev 3:5  He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Rev 7:9  After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #86 on: January 07, 2016, 06:51:57 PM »
Dear TJ,

As I currently understand it, yes, those living at the time of Jacob's trouble are in for it.  The judgement that Adam and Eve deserved was postponed until Christ could provide a way for us to repent and have our sins forgiven. 

God bless,

Michael
Hi Tribalchristian. There are many who argue that "The time of Jacobs trouble" came in 70 AD. Have you any thoughts on this?

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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #87 on: January 07, 2016, 07:59:29 PM »
Hi Dave and Copernicus,

About the little book,

This is simply a revelation.  I did not receive it by study of the word.  The Spirit of truth made me "realize it" one day.  The scriptures say, "prove all things and hold fast that which is true."  So I did, and that truth as revelaed by His Spirit fit perfectly.  I had never though about it that way before but understanding that Jesus is the one unlocking our salvation so that he could read the little book really made a tremendous difference in my understand of what is going on in the book of revelation.   If you study it out I think you will agree. 

You know, most of the time people will give you all their "reasons" for what they believe and try to convince you as to the "correctness" of their theology.  I have done a lot of that on my web site but what I feel that would be profitable for others is to try to allow the Holy Spirit to teach them whether what I say is true or not.  Once you get used to allowing the Holy Spirit to determine your doctrine it will be much easier for you to come into the unity of the faith. 

Copernicus,

Scriptures often have multiple fulfillments.  They sometimes have an initiation, natural fulfillment, but ultimately speak of sweeping events to come.  We see an example of this with the seven churches mentioned in the book of Revelation.  There were seven literal churches but what God is speaking of ultimately is seven church ages.   When studying scripture we must see the "big picture" with the help of the Holy Spirit.  Only with God's help and His perspective does everything start to fit together. 

Here is a truth,

"The cardinal mistake most people make, when trying to interpret prophecy, is to assume they have all the pieces to the jigsaw puzzle."

God bless,

Michael


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