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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2015, 02:30:32 PM »
Hi
I think the time period is based the  7 days of creation 1000 years for a day this creation starts with Noah the sun was created on day 4 Christ came into the world the light of the world if I'm right then we have jest entered day 6 when God creates man in his image.
So I believe the time period for revelations will be 3000 years till God has finished his work of creation.
Revelations starts with the message to the church's although these where sent to churches active at that time i believe they have a spiritual meaning for the church that's existed from that time until now if you like 7 stages which to me seam to indicated the church is slipping further away from it's first love.

I believe a new creation started with Christ a spiritual creation and revelations should be read in this light not easy I know.
The days of this creation will be shortened as we see from this verse

 Mar 13:20  And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

so the days of this creation will be shortened to 500 years I believe the fulfilment of the  prophecies and predictions of revelations started 2000 years ago and will continue to unfold until the end of the six day.

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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2015, 02:11:55 PM »
Hi
Have bean wondering what the names of the 7 churches mite mean I found this site thought it mite be of help.

http://www.revelation-today.com/ephesus.htm
and this one http://www.ldolphin.org/studynotes/7church.htm
A little warning always check what you read on the net with scripture

also found this the meaning of the names of the seven churches do you think they reflect the history of the church

Ephesus:   The Desired One
Smyrna:   Myrrh; Death
Pergamos:    Mixed Marriage
Thyatira:    Continual Sacrifice
Sardis:   Remnant
Philadelphia:   Brotherly Love
Laodicea:   People Rule

Maybe a starting point for discussion could be Ephesus and what it mite tell us about the early church and how it relates to today.

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Dave
 
http://www.revelation-today.com/ephesus.htm
http://www.ldolphin.org/studynotes/7church.htm

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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2015, 05:45:56 PM »
Well lets go to Revelation 2:29 [now word] as I suppose or imagine that it applies to the Church ? and to the congregations at that time ? or those [being an image/symbolic/ of things to come..

See : http://www.1faith.co.uk/cfaith-co-uk/%28community-hall%29who-wrote-the-book-of-revelations/msg52037/#msg52037

Now I am just encompassing several topics into one envelope

"Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches"

Now He "the Spirit" spoke but now continues to speak and will speak to the Churches

And this is too "whoever will listen"

Now drawing into this another recent topic = Revelation 2:7; Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the
 paradise of God.


You see this is actually addressed to individuals [who may have ears] within "The Church"

To He who overcomes ?

Now we see that "the book of revelation" can be past events and now and future

To individuals and a whole

He who overcomes ......


http://www.1faith.co.uk/cfaith-co-uk/%28community-hall%29who-wrote-the-book-of-revelations/msg52037/#msg52037

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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2015, 02:06:26 AM »
He who overcomes - sticks in my mind

An old song came to my mind "we shall overcome by the blood of the Lamb - that is overcome - to be victorious/ because He
was and is victorious/to overcome by the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 12:11 They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death.............



Revelation 15:2  And I saw what looked like a sea of glass glowing with fire and, standing beside the sea, those who had been victorious over the beast and its image and over the number of its name. They held harps given them by God

Now this is the Church and she has overcome - group and singular, purified by fire [remember the fire ?]

Remember the floods ?  http://www.1faith.co.uk/cfaith-co-uk/%28community-hall%29what-happened-to-the-jordan-river-when-the-priests-stepped-into-/msg52106/#msg52106

Purified while on earth...

we shall overcome - VIDEO

Now each Church was situated within a city and each cities name had a special meaning . [as all names in biblical times had meanings]

Find the meanings.............


You see the names of the cities are here -as in "the Church of" and representative of....


Luke warm was representative of Laodicea and the Church here represented Laodicea...as a symbol of/mirror/image/prophetic.




https://www.youtube.com/embed/qkknCYX83_E
http://www.1faith.co.uk/cfaith-co-uk/%28community-hall%29what-happened-to-the-jordan-river-when-the-priests-stepped-into-/msg52106/#msg52106

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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2015, 02:00:26 AM »
Now you probably noticed we are coming at this from a different angle !

Usually we would read "the Church is the Light or come out of the world"

But notice here I am suggesting a representation of the city .....

The angel of each Church is the "messenger" of [pastor/teaching/preacher]

This is the seven Churches of Asia....


 You see Ephesus had Forsaken its first love in Revelation 2:1-7 and in Ephesus Diana was worshiped

Looking in more detail  into the history of  Smyrna mentioned in Revelation 2:8-11  we discover a wealthy city known for the manufacture of myrrh - it had been invaded and rebuilt - hence we begin to see the relevance of the message to the "messenger" by a "Messenger" about  suffering  persecution .....

Find out more about these cities and you begin to see the relevance behind these messages to "The Church of _______"


Pergamum allowed allowing false teachers in Revelation 2:12-17
Thyatira had a false prophetess in Revelation 2:18-29
Sardis had fallen asleep in Revelation 3:1-6
Philadelphia endured Revelation 3:7-13
And finally Laodicea was lukewarm and as mentioned - we know this city was wealthy and had running water suplied through a pipeline which when reaching its destination was "Lukewarm" Revelation 3:14-22

At this point I want to refer to the "Prophets" and specifically to certain prophets who were the "beacon light" to
the nation - or the "lamp"  now turn to Isaiah 20:2-3  ?  at that time the LORD spoke through Isaiah son of Amoz. He said to him, "Take off the sackcloth from your body and the sandals from your feet." And he did so, going around stripped and barefoot. - Then the LORD said, "Just as my servant Isaiah has gone stripped and barefoot for three years, as a sign and portent against Egypt and Cush,

Now too another Prophet of a nation [notice prophet of a nation and Church of a city]


Hosea 1:2 KJB The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of  whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD

Now read 1 Thessalonians 4:7  For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.  ?

Would you see Hosea as living a Holy Life  [marrying a prostitute and saying "GOD TOLD ME TOO"]

Again the names of the children are important and are "prophetic"

Jezreel meant to be  "Scattered" as Israel was to be scattered [future tense but now past]

Lo-Ruhamah meant to have  "No Mercy" and would you believe Lo-Ammi meant.....you are  "Not My People"

So the same God who prophesied this through His "beacon lights or stars/messengers"

Later became the same God who redeemed and brought back His people and showed mercy....

You see God's Love is not a pretty pretty Love - it is a deep Love



As this is an interactive http://www.biblebuddies.co.uk study - I will wait for some interaction.- but as it is deep-
consider the answer before posting...


You see I am putting across - that "as Hosea was not living a Holy life and was a reflection of a nation as the Church
of a city reflected that City" - I have reversed the "usual notion" and turned it upside down.

Now these cities are reflected by the Churches of.......

It is for you to reverse this notion....






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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2015, 02:13:25 AM »
You have 5 days - over to you

If you do not - reverse this...

It can only be concluded that living a Holy Life is only in God';s Hands - as we do what He says - and not anything else

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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2015, 08:14:53 AM »
Recently a couple of friends and I had been working through a book called 'God's Big Picture' by Vaughan Roberts. I guess it is kind of an overview of the Bible. At the end of each chapter was a Bible study we did. The very last chapter in the book, Chapter 8, is called 'The perfected kingdom' (P.139) and is dealing with the book of Revelations. I guess it was a very brief overview of such.

Now I found this chapter fascinating, because generally I have avoided looking at Revelations, because I find it confusing and am aware of the very diverse opinions surrounding such - so decided best just to leave well alone.

Now I say I found the chapter of this book fascinating (I still haven't read all of Revelations), but what I have looked at did raise a lot more questions than answers (sigh). So I will attempt to convey the notes I made on such and my pondering - will probably split such up into separate posts for ease of reading though (so see below).

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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2015, 08:24:54 AM »
I referring to the book I mentioned in my above post. According to the author (P.139) ' 'Apocalypse' means 'revelation' or 'unveiling'.' That was new to me :D

On P.140 (Figure 40), the author provides an outline of the Book of Revelation - I'll type this below, in case it is of use to anyone else (then I'll continue in another post).

Revelations

1:1-20 Introduction.
2:1 - 3:20 Letters to the seven churches
4:1 - 5:14 A vision of heaven
6:1 - 8:5 The seven seals of destiny
8:6 - 11:19 The seven trumpets of warning
12:1 - 15:4 Conflict between the church and the power of evil
15:5 - 16:21 The seven bowls of punishment
17:1 - 20:15 The triumph of God and the fall of Babylon
21:1 - 22:5 The new heaven and new earth
22:6 - 21 Epilogue