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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #784 on: August 12, 2017, 03:17:44 PM »
Hi Chris
Yes this is a wonderful section of scripture is it not I agree with you entirely it's what mankind has been waiting ever since the fall.

It's been a long time coming and a hard road for man I pray and hope we don't have much longer to wait before the above scriptures are realized.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #785 on: August 18, 2017, 06:38:43 PM »
Hi Chris
Moving on with these wonderful verses.

.  4  And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 5  And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

 6  And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

 7  He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son   


Here we get a word picture of what the new heavens and earth will be like it sounds to wonderful for words after living in this evil world.
I am beginning to understand what it means to have peace in Christ when one thinks of the above verses.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #786 on: August 18, 2017, 09:18:30 PM »
@davetaff

Yes, Dave, they are wonderful.  :D

'And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes;
and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying,
neither shall there be any more pain:
for the former things are passed away.'

(Rev.21:4)

* What are these 'former things?'

'For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth:
and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.'

(Isa 65:17) 

* The passing of the Old heavens and earth is connected with the 'former things'.  See Isaiah 65:16:-

' ... ... the former troubles are forgotten,
and because they are hid from mine eyes.'

(Isa. 65:16b) 

* See also,

'And He will destroy in this mountain
the face of the covering cast over all people,
and the vail that is spread over all nations.
He will swallow up death in victory;
and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces;
and the rebuke of His people shall He take away from off all the earth:
for the LORD hath spoken it.'

(Isaiah 25:7,8)

'And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, and come to Zion
with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads:
they shall obtain joy and gladness,
and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.'

(Isa 35:10)

* Interesting verses aren't they?

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #787 on: August 18, 2017, 09:42:46 PM »
'And He that sat upon the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new."
And He said unto me, "Write: for these words are true and faithful."

And He said unto me, "It is done.
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
He that overcometh shall inherit all things;
and I will be his God, and he shall be My son.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable,
and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers,
and idolaters, and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:
which is the second death."'

(Rev.21:5-8)

* These are the words from the throne.
* Three times we read the words, 'and He said.'
* All is to be made new; All is faithful and true; and all is accomplished which had been foretold and decreed.

* John sees first the New Earth, then the Holy City; then he hears of the blessings for the inhabitants of the city; and finally, the causes which shall have contributed to the exclusion of those who have no part in it.

* The fearful are those who through fear have apostatised.
* The unbelieving are like those of Titus 1:15 and Matt. 11:20-24.
* The abominable are like those in Lev. 18:22,26,27.
* Murderers and sorcerers (ie., those that are in contact with unclean and lying spirits)

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #788 on: August 19, 2017, 10:32:49 AM »
'And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:
for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away;
and there was no more sea.'

(Rev 21:1) 

* Looking back to Revelation 21:1, I have read that the words, 'no more sea', refers to 'the deep' of Genesis 1:2.

'And the earth was without form, and void;
and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.'

(Gen.1:2)

* This was the state of the world following the overthrow, which took place between Genesis 1:1 & 2, which made the present creation necessary, and which is behind all sin in general.  In Rev. 21, we have reached the goal towards which creation and redemption have pressed. The primal sin which caused the overthrow of the world, and which brought in sin and death upon this present creation, have now passed away and death is no more, neither sorrow, crying or pain, which is all associated with it. They will have passed away as completely as the former heaven and earth.

Praise God!

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Cariad   


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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #789 on: August 19, 2017, 10:55:54 AM »
'And He said unto me," It is done. ... ... '
(Rev.21:6)

The One who bowed His head upon the cross crying, 'It is finished,' shall one day sit upon the throne and say, 'It is done.'

Praise God!

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #790 on: August 19, 2017, 03:47:28 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you so much for these excellent post and scriptures I do love to read Isaiah I don't think I can add a great deal the scriptures you have Given speak for them selves I only have two questions if I may.

you said
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* Looking back to Revelation 21:1, I have read that the words, 'no more sea', refers to 'the deep' of Genesis 1:2.

'And the earth was without form, and void;
and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.'
(Gen.1:2)   


The words no more sea made me think of

Rev 17:15  And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
   


Dose it mean all these things will be done away with they will not be found in the new heaven and earth.

The other thing I have a problem with as you may remember is

Rev 21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
   


The thought of the God of Love burning people alive makes me shudder I know that's what it says and it is the word of God but to me its not in keeping with the God of Love.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #791 on: August 23, 2017, 02:44:53 PM »
Hi
It seams I have lost my bible buddy and friend which has saddened me greatly as I am sure many on the site will also miss her let us all prey for her return.

I would like us to consider Rev 21:8 as it is a stumbling block to me I came across these words of St Paul this morning and was wondering do they have relevance to the subject

2Th 1:7  And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8  In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9  Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
   


Is it our Lord Jesus Christ who is the lake of fire a purifying fire burning out all the dross is the lake of fire a cleansing process the everlasting destruction of evil.

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