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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #752 on: July 24, 2017, 03:23:11 PM »
Revelation 20:7-10 - the judgement of Satan (after the millennium)

'And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog,
to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city:
and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,
where the beast and the false prophet are,
and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.'

(Rev 20:7-10)

Hello again,

In Revelation 20:3, we are told that Satan must be, 'loosed a little season'..  In the verses above we learn the reason why.

* The words, 'a little season', is used by the Holy Spirit once more earlier in Revelation, in Rev. 20:3.  How different the circumstances, and those being referred to. A comparison of these two usages, and their context could be an interesting study in themselves.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #753 on: July 24, 2017, 05:44:18 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you so much for your replies very informative as usual not sure it would be a good thing to pursue the cherub question just now not sure where it would lead   but it dose seam to be an interesting line of enquiry like who is the other cherub.

what struck me about your last post  (Rev 20:7-10) was why will satan be released after being locked up for a 1000 years if we can answer that maybe we can answer why he was allowed free reign in eden.

Maybe the answer lies in these verses.

Isa 48:10  Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

 Zec 13:9  And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God   


Is it that our love and obedience and faith must be tested to the utter most as was Christs.
So dose God allow evil for a good purpose.

Love and Peace
Dave   

 

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #754 on: July 24, 2017, 06:21:01 PM »
'And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog,
to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea'.

(Rev.20:7)

In the beginning is Satan's first rebellion, here in Revelation we are told of his final rebellion. So when was His first rebellion? 

By the time that He is reported to have been in Eden, he is already a fallen creature.  In Genesis 1:1 we read that God created The Heaven and The Earth, yet in verse two we read that it 'became' (not 'was') 'without form and void',ie., empty, waste and desolate (see Isa.24:10; Isa.34:11 & Jer.4:23): that God did not make it so, we are told in Isaiah 45:18, 'He created it not in vain.'  So what made it so?
 
We are not told: and it is not for us to speculate; but Satan did rebel, and we know that it happened because of pride from 1 Timothy 3:6,7.  By Genesis 3, Satan is a fallen creature the enemy of God and man, so it would appear that this rebellion occurred between Genesis 1:1 & 2. That would explain the state of the newly formed earth in Genesis 1:2. 

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #755 on: July 24, 2017, 06:46:05 PM »
Hi Chris

... what struck me about your last post  (Rev 20:7-10) was why will satan be released after being locked up for a 1000 years if we can answer that maybe we can answer why he was allowed free reign in eden.

Maybe the answer lies in these verses.

Isa 48:10  Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

 Zec 13:9  And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God   


Is it that our love and obedience and faith must be tested to the utter most as was Christs.
So dose God allow evil for a good purpose.

Love and Peace
Dave   

Hello Dave,

I believe that Revelation 20:7-10 tells us why Satan was released, he will deceive the nations, who have been feigning obedience (Psa.66:3; Psa.81:15), and bring them to battle against the 'saints', but God will destroy them.

The two cherubs do not represent any individual, either human-being, or, spirit-being.  You suggested earlier that they could represent Satan and our Lord Jesus Christ: but our Lord is, 'God the Son', and no representation of the Deity is allowed by God.  No! We must not even suggest that this is so: and, no, God does not condone evil, not for any purpose. 

Isaiah 48:10, and Zechariah 13:9, remind me of 1 Peter 1:7, and I agree that our faith is tested and tried, that it may be strengthened, that we may stand in the evil day.  Yet our Lord was tested and tried by Satan, but it was not His faith that was tried, but His obedience wasn't it?

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #756 on: July 25, 2017, 05:39:53 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply I don't think I asked the question very well what I meant was why will God release satan why not leave him locked away where he can do no harm.

Why or what has to be tested I believe it's our Love, love for God and Love for one another in the face of all adversity its the only thing that makes any sense to me.

as for the two cherubs still not sure about these was not the tabernacle Moses built a copy of the heavenly things the cherubs in heaven where living creatures

Heb 8:5  Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

 Heb 9:23  It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
 


So did the cherubs represent creatures in heaven.

Love and Peace
Dave   

 

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #757 on: July 26, 2017, 11:40:15 AM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply I don't think I asked the question very well what I meant was why will God release satan why not leave him locked away where he can do no harm.

Why or what has to be tested I believe it's our Love, love for God and Love for one another in the face of all adversity its the only thing that makes any sense to me.

as for the two cherubs still not sure about these was not the tabernacle Moses built a copy of the heavenly things the cherubs in heaven where living creatures

Heb 8:5  Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

 Heb 9:23  It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
 


So did the cherubs represent creatures in heaven.

Love and Peace
Dave

Hi Dave,

Scripture leaves us with no reason to second-guess why these things are to take place.  In this instance the answer is given in Rev.20:7-10, isn't it? Satan is to be loosed to deceive the nations. 

* If this action is necessary after the absence of Satanic activity for 1,000 years; the rule of Christ from the Holy City; and the administration of redeemed Israel in their divinely ordained role as Priests among the nations; then the nations have been weighed in the balance and found sadly wanting, and without excuse.

* If Satan Is able to gather these nations from the four corners of the earth, with the purpose of encircling the camp of the saints and the Beloved city, then they have needed very little persuasion to do so.

* This is proof that the obedience they have shown to the rule of Christ from the Holy city has not been genuine. So God is going to have to destroy them, to protect the saints; and Satan will, by His deviousness and hatred of God's people, be the catalyst to bring them to battle, that justice may be seen to be done.

* Yes, the cherubs on the mercy seat (Exo.25), are representative of the cherubim in Heaven, who perform the same function there.

* It is not our love that is to be tested, for we, (the Church of the One Body of Christ) will not be on the earth at this time.

Thank you, I am sorry if I did not make myself clear.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #758 on: July 26, 2017, 03:41:25 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply yes of course satan was released to deceive the nations that's crystal clear I was asking why did God allow it maybe we are not meant to know.

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* This is proof that the obedience they have shown to the rule of Christ from the Holy city has not been genuine. So God is going to have to destroy them, to protect the saints; and Satan will, by His deviousness and hatred of God's people, be the catalyst to bring them to battle, that justice may be seen to be done. 

What worries me here is in what form will this destruction be I have problems thinking of the God of Love destroying so many lives makes me shudder.

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It is not our love that is to be tested, for we, (the Church of the One Body of Christ) will not be on the earth at this time   

I think we will be part of the millenium reign of Christ after all we are his body and where he is so will we be with him and again we have the olive tree and the branches we have been grafted in and Israel will be grafted in to its own tree we will all be one ruling with our King of kings I'm looking forward to that.

Love and Peace
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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #759 on: July 26, 2017, 05:20:50 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply yes of course satan was released to deceive the nations that's crystal clear I was asking why did God allow it maybe we are not meant to know.

What worries me here is in what form will this destruction be I have problems thinking of the God of Love destroying so many lives makes me shudder.

I think we will be part of the millenium reign of Christ after all we are his body and where he is so will we be with him and again we have the olive tree and the branches we have been grafted in and Israel will be grafted in to its own tree we will all be one ruling with our King of kings I'm looking forward to that.

Love and Peace
Dave 

Hi Dave,

God's reason for letting Satan loose to deceive the nations will be to fulfil His purpose, and how He  finally destroys the nations, whose object is to destroy the saints, is by fire from heaven. 

This cannot be sugar coated, or made more palatable to our sensibilities, for the fact is that outside of Christ, God is a God of righteous judgement.  We have only known His grace and love, in Christ, but the God of the Old Testament is the same as the New, and will not condone sin, or spare the ungodly.

It is wrong to water-down the Word of God, either to make God into an image of our making, or to make it fit our own particular theories.  God's Word is there to be believed, not re-interpreted to suit our purpose.

In Christ Jesus
Cariad