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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #736 on: May 23, 2017, 05:28:11 PM »
Hi
Thanks for your post ladies really good stuff got my little grey cells working overtime I thought it  might be a good idea to take a look at what our Lord had to say about the end time's and look at in conjunction with the other scriptures you have quoted so  our Lord said.


Mat 24:3  And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4  And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5  For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6  And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8  All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9  Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10  And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11  And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12  And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13  But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15  When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:16  Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17  Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18  Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19  And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20  But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23  Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24  For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25  Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26  Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27  For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28  For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31  And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mat 24:32  Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33  So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34  Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mat 24:35  Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mat 24:36  But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37  But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38  For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39  And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:40  Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:41  Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:42  Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Mat 24:43  But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Mat 24:44  Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Mat 24:45  Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
Mat 24:46  Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Mat 24:47  Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
Mat 24:48  But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
Mat 24:49  And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
Mat 24:50  The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Mat 24:51  And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.   


Sorry it's such a long cut and paste but I think it has relevance to our discussion our Lord is telling us about what will happen at the end of the time of the gentiles and the beginning of the millennium there are also warnings which we need to take note of.

The first of which is all the false Christ that will arise I wonder if this might be a reference to all the different denomination that have arisen over the last 2000 years a prophecy that's bean fulfilled.

Have to go now but will be back look forward to what you think of our Lords discourse on the end times and if you think it relates to our discussion.

Love and Peace
Dave     

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #737 on: May 23, 2017, 07:58:42 PM »
Dave I think its good to be reminded of the activity of Satan in these last days.
Sometimes I see so much awareness that Christians can even confuse what is genuine with what is counterfeit. Its getting complicated.
 The fact that is happening shows how much we need the closeness to God's Holy Spirit to discern.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #738 on: May 25, 2017, 02:42:56 PM »
Dave I think its good to be reminded of the activity of Satan in these last days.
Sometimes I see so much awareness that Christians can even confuse what is genuine with what is counterfeit. Its getting complicated.
 The fact that is happening shows how much we need the closeness to God's Holy Spirit to discern.


Hi Primrose
thank you for your post I agree with you wholeheartedly the question is how bad will it get before Christ steps in and puts a stop to it hope it soon.
But  our Lord does give us a little clue.

color=red]Mat 24:36  But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37  But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38  For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39  And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.     [/color]

I think we can agree that the world is going from bad to whorse and fulfilling all prophicy the question is why the only reason I can think of is to give as many as possible the chance to to turn to God and be saved.

I am going away for a week so may not be able to respond but I will be back.

Love and Peace
Dave
 
 



Offline Rose Anna

Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #739 on: May 26, 2017, 08:20:07 AM »
Thank you @davetaff
I valued your input about the timing but being awake for the signs.

This is the time where the devil really is deceiving, and faith in peoples self instead of God is growing. As you said from bad to worse. The devil is the most deadliest, when he disguises himself as an angel of light. Working through human goodness and human badness. Bringing in powers and principalities, through human rule.
We need the fruits of God's Holy Spirit and the genuine goodness and power from Him. Only humankind is rejecting Him.
Jesus warned that even the elect will be deceived, if possible. Matthew 24:24
In connection to this thread on Revelation, God "says come out of her my people" Revelation 18:4
Referring to Babylon and showing how God's own people can be deceived and enticed.
I mentioned how prophesy repeats itself and in different ways, as it unfolds.That we see the tower of babel, repeating itself and is in these days. When it grows to its full height the false Christ will be here, and will rise and fall as our true Christ will come again.
I agree Dave, that we can wonder how bad will it get before this event occurs.
Only the Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering to usward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9 As you said.
The wheat and weeds have grown together and have not been gathered up yet, because the wheat could be up rooted alongside the uprooting of the weeds. Matthew 13:29
They will be gathered when both fully grown. Matthew 13:30

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #740 on: June 03, 2017, 05:07:16 PM »
Hi
Back of my hols trying to catch up It's such a big subject we are discussing the end times hard to know where to begin I was wondering if we could compare the mount of Olives discourse and what we have in revelations side by side might help us understand a little better the times leading up to the millennium and the millennium itself.

 Mat 24:4  And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5  For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6  And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8  All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Of course the Olivet discourse is about the times leading up to the millennium but I believe it will give us great confidence in the prophecies of scripture concerning these times.
So how can we discern false Christs I think they will come in the form of false doctrines and theories so to be on the safe side I will stick to what the bible says anything that comes after the amen in revelations I will treat with great scepticism and usually reject.
We Know that the next two verses are 100% true of the world today but this is only the beginning of sorrows so I would advise any non believers or sceptics to read them very carefully and consider  that they were written about 2000 years ago.
The non believer will say but there's always bean   wars and famine that's  true but we did not have modern communications so did not know what was happening in other parts of the world.

Love and Peace
Dave       

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #741 on: June 06, 2017, 05:44:56 PM »
The Final 5 Judgements:-

* Revelation 19:17 -22:15 - the 7th and last vision, 'On Earth'

1. Revelation 19:17-21- the judgement of the Beast and False Propet.
2. Revelation 20:1-3 - the judgement of Satan (before the millennium)
3. Revelation 20:4-6 - the judgment of the Overcomers. The rest of the dead left for judgment.
4. Revelation 20:7-10 - the judgment of Satan (after the millennium)
5. Revelation 20:11-15 - the judgment of the Great White Throne.

* These complete the 7th Seal, the 7th Trumpets, and the 7th Vial.  Finishing the, 'mystery' or 'secret purpose' of God, concerning Satan and Man; Jew and Gentile and Heaven and Earth.

* The judgments set right what is wrong, establish what is good, and destroy all that is evil.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Across

'And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast,
neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
on such the second death hath no power,
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,
and shall reign with him a thousand years.'

(Rev 20:4-6)

Hello again,

These verses contain the third of the last five judgements, and it's subjects are - 'The Overcomers'.

'and I saw thrones,
and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them:
'
(Rev.20:4a)

* Who are these occupying the thrones, to whom judgment is given?
* Surely this must include God and Christ, and the seven spirits (angelic beings) of Rev.1:4 and 1 Tim. 5:21  (see also Matt.25:31).

'When the Son of man shall come in His glory,
and all the holy angels with Him,
then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory:'

(Mat 25:31)

* This throne is referred to in Joel 3:12; Jer.3:17; Dan.7:18,22.

* Here in Rev.20:4a, the judgment vindicates the martyred saints of the tribulation, described in the second part of verse 4 to verse 6:-

'and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast,
neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.'

(Rev.20:4-6)

* The living nations (or Gentiles) are judged also before these thrones, as described in the references highlighted above.
* That throne, as well as the thrones of the twelve apostles, are seen here placed for judgment according to Matt.19:28 and Luke 22:30. See also, Psa.122:5; Ezek.43:7; Zech.6:13; Isa.31:8,9; 32:1-4.

* The souls of those that were beheaded on account of the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God are clearly those mentioned in Rev. 6:9.  They are now to enjoy their resurrection, vindication, and the glory associated with it.  The words, 'the souls of them that were beheaded' is a figure of speech, and not to be translated literally, it is to be rendered, 'those who were beheaded'. (compare Jer.2:34; Jer.46:15 and chapter).

* These are now described as being alive again in resurrection life, and is a fulfilment of the words of the Lord Jesus Christ in (Matthew 10:39; 16:25-27; Mark 8:35-.37; Luke 9:24; Luke 17:33 and John12:25).  The extent of the first resurrection is not the subject here, but is a statement concerning 'some' of those who shall have part in it.  That there are others is implied in Rev.20:6.  All of these, 'both lived again and reigned with Christ'.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Cariad

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #742 on: June 06, 2017, 07:43:57 PM »
Thankyou @Cariad @davetaff for your input.
I'm going to be busy. Also going on holiday quite soon.
Every Blessing and love to you all.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #743 on: June 07, 2017, 02:16:29 PM »
Hi  @Primrose
Have a great holiday I'm sure we can wait for your return of course if anyone else joins in then I think we might need to answer them in the meantime we can continue with another thread.

Love and Peace
Dave