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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #720 on: May 18, 2017, 03:32:12 PM »
Hello @davetaff,

Matthew 8:10-12
This will certainly take place at the end of the age.

The Bride and the Guests are distinct, yes. 

In Christ Jesus


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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #721 on: May 18, 2017, 05:25:55 PM »
Revelation 19:11

Here the Messiah comes in all His power and glory.  Though not named, the description reveals Him:-

'Faithful and True'''

- Faithful, in keeping all the promises He has made.
- True, in executing the judgements made.

* The war He will make is a righteous war.

* In Rev 6:2, we read of another horse and it's rider: that was a false Christ, being neither faithful or true. He went forth to conquer and subdue all to himself, whereas, the Messiah will make war with Him in righteousness. (Psalm 45:3-6)

* Revelation 19:12,13, (see Isaiah 63:1-6 & Isaiah.9:5)

* His name is, 'The Word of God' (Psalm.33:6; John 1:1,2; John 1:14)

* He leads the armies of Heaven (Revelation 19:14) - see Jude 14,15.  These are the angelic host, who make war against Satan and His host (Rev.12).

This is not symbolic imagery, but a grand reality. (2 Kings 6:16,17)

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus


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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #722 on: May 18, 2017, 05:49:55 PM »
Revelation 19:15,16

Rev.16, has prepared us for this conflict.
Rev.17, shown us the enemy and His allies.
Rev.18, gave details of the judgement, against, 'Babylon the great'

* Now we have the final fulfilment of Psalm 2.  The nations rage and are dealt with.  The treading of this 'wine press' was revealed in Rev.14:19,20. 

* 'The Times of the Gentiles', has come to an end.(Luke 21:24)

* Christ is 'King of Kings' and 'Lord of Lords'.

Praise His Holy Name!

In Christ Jesus

* Now come the final 5 judgments: Rev.19:17-20:15.


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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #723 on: May 18, 2017, 06:18:25 PM »

The Final 5 Judgements:-

* Revelation 19:17 -22:15 - the 7th and last vision, 'On Earth'

1. Revelation 19:17-21- the judgement of the Beast and False Propet.
2. Revelation 20:1-3 - the judgement of Satan (before the millennium)
3. Revelation 20:4-6 - the judgment of the Overcomers. The rest of the dead left for judgment.
4. Revelation 20:7-10 - the judgment of Satan (after the millennium)
5. Revelation 20:11-15 - the judgment of the Great White Throne.

* These complete the 7th Seal, the 7th Trumpets, and the 7th Vial.  Finishing the, 'mystery' or 'secret purpose' of God, concerning Satan and Man; Jew and Gentile and Heaven and Earth.

* The judgments set right what is wrong, establish what is good, and destroy all that is evil.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #724 on: May 19, 2017, 08:52:17 AM »
Thank you for your imputs.@Cariad @davetaff @everyone
God will destroy all evil and death will be the last enemy to be destroyed. 1 Corinthians 15:26 Revelation 21:4

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #725 on: May 19, 2017, 04:04:03 PM »
Hi Chris and Primrose
Thank you for your input so here we stand on the threshold of the millennium very exciting don't you think satan and his helpers have bean put out of action and christ is about to take up his position as King with his bride  and they will rule for 1000 years how wonderful is that.

Chris I liked your reference to psalm 2   thought it would be worth putting it in here for our guest's to read.

Psa 2:1  Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
Psa 2:2  The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3  Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
Psa 2:4  He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
Psa 2:5  Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
Psa 2:6  Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
Psa 2:7  I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Psa 2:8  Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psa 2:9  Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Psa 2:10  Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Psa 2:11  Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12  Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

It's such a wonderful psalm so much information in such a short piece bit like revelations in miniature I feel there is much here which relates  to the end times.

Love and Peace


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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #726 on: May 19, 2017, 09:53:53 PM »

Thank you both.

* In Rev.19:1-16, we have been considering events which have taken place in the seventh vision, 'In Heaven'.
* In Rev. 19:17-20:15 we have the seventh vision, 'On Earth'.

* It is our desire to get to the point where we can consider the millennial reign, which comes following the second of the last five judgements (Rev.20:1-3), in which Satan is judged and bound for 1,000 years. During that period in which he is incarcerated the millennial reign of the Overcomers will take place.

* The third judgment is different from the two which came before and those which follow, for it is a judgment of vindication and award, and not of condemnation and punishment. It is the Overcomers reward for faithfulness. They have had part in the first of two resurrections, (Rev.20:5,6) and are spoken of as, 'blessed', for they will be Priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for 1,000 years. 

* The reign of Christ lasts much longer than that, it commences with the coming of Christ and the end of Gentile dominion, and goes on unbroken (it shall never be destroyed, and shall never pass away,- Dan.2:44; Dan.7:14,27) until the Son having put all things under His feet (for He 'must reign' until this is accomplished - 1 Cor. 15:25,26), which reaches to The Great White Throne Judgement and beyond, and delivers up the kingdom to God, even the Father, 'that God may be all in all'.  This is the reign of Christ, the Millennial reign being but a portion of it.

* All that we are told 'specifically' about this period is contained within Rev.20:1-10.
'And I saw an angel come down from heaven,
having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan,
and bound him a thousand years,
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him,
 that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled:
and after that he must be loosed a little season.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
on such the second death hath no power,
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth,
Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle:
the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

And they went up on the breadth of the earth,
and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city:
 and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,
where the beast and the false prophet are,
and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


* The three points that stand out, for me, in this reading are,

- The Restraint of Satan
- The Reign of the Overcomer
- The Rebellion at the close.

* The Millennium is the last form of delegated authority.  David may have reigned on earth as vice-regent, the twelve apostles may have sat on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel, the overcomers may have reigned as priests of God and of Christ, but all in vain.  Christ alone must put down ALL authority, whether good or bad, and reign alone and supreme if ever the goal of the ages is to be reached.

* The characteristic features of the Millennium,

- The restraining of Satan (Rev.20:1-3)
- The restraining of transgression (Dan. 9:24)
- The sealing up of sin (Dan.9:24)
- The rule of the rod of iron (Rev.19:15; Psa.2:9; Rev.2:27; Rev.12:5)
- The willling obedience of Israel (Psa.110:3)
- The feigned obedience of many of the nations (Psa.18:44; Psa.66:3; Psa.81:15)

* Can you think of any other characteristics?

In Christ Jesus


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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #727 on: May 20, 2017, 02:54:42 PM »
Hi Chris and Primrose
Very good post Chris lots of scripture and good points brought out a good place to start on the millennium.

so the devil and his helpers have bean removed from the earth for the 1000 years Christ and his church have started to reign the question is who will they reign over.
when Christ returns who will be on the earth we know the church will be raptured as Paul makes plain.

 1Th 4:15  For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18  Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

So the church is raptured and Christ and his bride come down to begin the millennial reign who will they reign over it can only be those left after the rapture which would be a world of unbelievers hence the saying

 Psa 2:9  Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
 Rev 2:27  And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
 Rev 12:5  And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Rev_19:15  And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

It seams to me that the millennium is not going to be a bed of roses for the unbelieving world far from it on the other hand there will not be anyone to tempt us with evil but will evil thoughts still exist in the minds of those left hence the rod of iron will be used to crack down on them.

Love and Peace