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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #712 on: May 13, 2017, 06:23:28 PM »
Hi Chris and Primrose
Thank you for your replies I enjoyed reading your post Primrose don't we have a wonderful heavenly father knowing that everything is in his hands and his glorious plan will come to fruitation.

Hi Chris I perfectly understand if you don't agree with me you don't have to but I do hope we can continue to discuss these subjects I do find them very beneficial and helpful to my studies.

Forget what I said before and let's continue with.


Rev 19:10  And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Rev 19:11  And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12  His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13  And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14  And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean

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Dave

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #713 on: May 16, 2017, 12:50:38 PM »
Hiya @davetaff @Cariad

I realise they were difficult questions, that none of us can answer except by looking at examples in the bible. Sorry about my English. I'm rushing.
I remember in a forum before that the people automatically thought every Christian would be resurrected to the millennium, alongside the covenants of the people of Israel and those surviving the tribulation.

The view that I saw people had was probably because eternal life is known to be a gift through Jesus. Not what we earn.

Only it does look like it's partly through covenants as well, in places in the bible, regarding the millennium time. In Hebrews 11:35KJV it was described as the better resurrection, and people gave up things at this time, for something better.  Hebrews11 Hebrews 11:40
That the second resurrection will take place after the thousand years, Revelation 20:5  and must involve those who have eternal life. That's because the book of life is mentioned in Revelations, pertaining to the second resurrection. Revelation 20:15

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #714 on: May 16, 2017, 02:31:26 PM »
Hiya @davetaff @Cariad

I realise they were difficult questions, that none of us can answer except by looking at examples in the bible. Sorry about my English. I'm rushing.
I remember in a forum before that the people automatically thought every Christian would be resurrected to the millennium, alongside the covenants of the people of Israel and those surviving the tribulation.

The view that I saw people had was probably because eternal life is known to be a gift through Jesus. Not what we earn.

Only it does look like it's partly through covenants as well, in places in the bible, regarding the millennium time. In Hebrews 11:35KJV it was described as the better resurrection, and people gave up things at this time, for something better.  Hebrews11 Hebrews 11:40
That the second resurrection will take place after the thousand years, Revelation 20:5  and must involve those who have eternal life. That's because the book of life is mentioned in Revelations, pertaining to the second resurrection. Revelation 20:15


Hi Primrose and Chris
Now we are coming to the best part the beginning of the millennium what humanity has been waiting for from the beginning the rider on the white horse Christ Jesus our Lord King of Kings Lord of Lords.

 Rev 19:15  And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16  And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 19:17  And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Rev 19:18  That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

It's interesting that the sword of his mouth is the word of God so it is with the word of God he will smite the nations and rule them with a rod of iron.
Here we see Christ taking control as The mighty King with his bride the church and they will reign for 1000 years and the word of God will be preach to every one to all those still living and all those of the first resurrection.
All human rule will be abolished I am not to sure what the fowls of the air  might be but they fly in the midst of heaven so I don't think it's ordinary birds, as it's the word of God that will smite the nations it dose not sound like it will be dead bodies they will eat.
Maybe it means after  they have received and accepted the word they are consumed into the heavenly host jest a thought.

If you have any thoughts on this please post them it is a difficult section.

Love and Peace
Dave         

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #715 on: May 16, 2017, 04:24:42 PM »
Hiya @davetaff @Cariad

I realise they were difficult questions, that none of us can answer except by looking at examples in the bible. Sorry about my English. I'm rushing.
I remember in a forum before that the people automatically thought every Christian would be resurrected to the millennium, alongside the covenants of the people of Israel and those surviving the tribulation.

The view that I saw people had was probably because eternal life is known to be a gift through Jesus. Not what we earn.

Only it does look like it's partly through covenants as well, in places in the bible, regarding the millennium time. In Hebrews 11:35KJV it was described as the better resurrection, and people gave up things at this time, for something better.  Hebrews11 Hebrews 11:40
That the second resurrection will take place after the thousand years, Revelation 20:5  and must involve those who have eternal life. That's because the book of life is mentioned in Revelations, pertaining to the second resurrection. Revelation 20:15

'Women received their dead raised to life again:
and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance;
that they might obtain a better resurrection:'

(Heb 11:35)

Hello @Primrose,

Yes the people spoken of in the verse (above) sought a better resurrection.  The People of Israel generally believed in a resurrection at the last day, as expressed by Martha, to our Lord, in John 11:24: but like Abraham, who looked for a city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God, so did others of like precious faith.  Martha had the blessing of being informed by our Lord that He, Himself, was the Resurrection and the Life, didn't she? What a moment that was for her!

* There are several resurrections referred to in the Bible aren't there? The two mentioned in relation to the 1,000 years, come before and after that period, as mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6, as you say, Primrose. 'The rest of the dead' is a company, only mentioned in order to make it clear that they do not live again until the thousand years are finished.

* 'The Book of Life', spoken of in Rev.20:14, is either opened for condemnation, or it implies that the names have been 'blotted out' (Rev.3:5).  In either case 'the rest of the dead' would not include the Church, or Israel, or the Elect Remnant, nor the names of those who make up the superhuman wild Beasts of Rev. 13 and 17.  In Rev. 20:12, the words, 'the books', are mentioned, they must contain evidence to show cause why the names of those standing before the throne are not named in The Book of Life.

* One thing is sure, the Church and it's members are not included there, for the 'standing' of it's members is not of works, but of grace. For them there is, 'no condemnation'.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Cariad

 






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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #716 on: May 17, 2017, 11:19:25 AM »
Hiya,
Hope all is well for you.

I do struggle to understand Revelations but something is certain to me and in other places of the bible and that there is a millenium era, in the after life.
Many things are probably beyond our comprehension, for  no eye has seen and no ear has heard what God had in store for those who love Him.
Yet the descriptions of the millennium sound so wonderful, in ways people can relate to, until right at the end.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #717 on: May 17, 2017, 05:14:41 PM »
Hiya,
Hope all is well for you.

I do struggle to understand Revelations but something is certain to me and in other places of the bible and that there is a millenium era, in the after life.
Many things are probably beyond our comprehension, for  no eye has seen and no ear has heard what God had in store for those who love Him.
Yet the descriptions of the millennium sound so wonderful, in ways people can relate to, until right at the end.


Hi Primrose
You are not alone I think everyone struggles with revelations I think we have to remember it was written some 2000 years ago with much symbolism like the rider on the white horse this is how military leaders came in Johns day in our day they'd come in a tank.
Maybe he saw future things he could not explain or understand but did the best he could and we need to remember what is said at the beginning .

 Rev 1:3  Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

we are blessed who read it  so even if we don't understand it lets continue to read and study it and pray for the Holt Spirit to help in our endeavors to understand it.

Love and Peace
Dave
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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #718 on: May 18, 2017, 06:38:58 AM »
@davetaff
@Primrose

I also feel as though I am, 'seeing through a glass, darkly' (1Cor.13:12), but in this respect we are in good company, aren't we?  For the prophets of the Old Testament spoke the words God gave to them, and sought diligently to understand their meaning (1 Pet.1:9); for they were the mouthpiece of God, and spoke concerning events which were to be fulfilled at a time far beyond their own, and beyond the limits of their experience.  Some prophecies,  yet to be fulfilled. 

We have not fully covered verses 9 and 10, of Rev.19: the guests at the wedding; the prostration of John before the angel of God, and the angels response; the statement, 'the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy'.  Perhaps later, yes?.

Revelation 19:11,
'And I saw heaven opened,' ( how awesome that must have been!)
'and behold, a white horse;
and He that sat upon him was called
Faithful and True',
(doesn't your heart, with mine, swell with awe at this description?)
'and in righteousness He doth judge and make war'

* This is our Lord and Saviour, risen and glorified, now coming as Judge.  What a magnificent sight this must have been for John, how awesome! Yet it was not this sight which caused John to fall on his face and worship ( though that worship was misdirected [Rev 19:10]), but the blessed position of those who were called to the marriage supper of the Lamb.

* John, who was there when The Lamb of God was made manifest to Israel, (John 1:36), and who had followed Him, and had been His, 'beloved disciple', eating and drinking with Him, laying on His bosom (John 13:25). Foresaw the blessed position, yet to come, when once again He would know that same familiarity with the God of glory. No wonder he forgot himself and fell down to worship the messenger, in his awe and wonder at the words of God that were spoken by him.  How chastened he must have been at the angels reply.

* We have an awesome God, don't we? It is He Whom we must worship, and no other!

In Christ Jesus
Cariad



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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #719 on: May 18, 2017, 01:48:46 PM »
Hi Chris and Primrose
In my morning read this morning I came across this verse.

11  I tell all of you, many will come from east and west and will feast with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom from heaven

Do you think this is the wedding feast of the Lamb it seams reasonable to me are the bride and the guest's two separate groups.

Love and peace
Dave