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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #680 on: March 11, 2017, 05:08:12 PM »
'And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying,
Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
For true and righteous are His judgments:
for He hath judged the great whore,
which did corrupt the earth with her fornication,
and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.'

(Rev 19:1,2) 

Hi Dave,

I had to come to chapter 19, and hear a joyful sound.  :D
That judgment is finally over.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #681 on: March 22, 2017, 02:30:46 PM »
Hi Chris
I agree with you after everything that's gone before it's wonderful to have good news at last God has taken control he has destroyed the great whore it's hard to pin down who she was I think maybe an amalgamation of political financial and religious systems all working together with there lord and master satan working behind the scenes to encourage and support them.

Rev 19:3  And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
Rev 19:4  And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.
Rev 19:5  And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
Rev 19:6  And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

What a picture of great rejoicing jest think how wonderful to be a part of that jest one of the great multitude would be great the voice of many waters from all the peoples of the earth.

Let us pray more earnestly THY KINGDOM COME.

Love and Peace
Dave 

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #682 on: April 06, 2017, 12:49:55 PM »
Hi Dave, (@davetaff),

Yes, speculation concerning the identity of the Great City (the woman), is pointless, I agree.  I believe personally that it is, what Scripture says it is, and that is Babylon. In Zechariah 5:1-11, we are told that Babylon will be rebuilt.  To my knowledge that prophecy has not been fulfilled.  Zechariah 5:11, locates it clearly, 'in the land of Shinar', which brings Genesis 11:2-9 to mind, and Daniel 1:1,2.  Babylon is to be the last of the powers of the earth to drink the cup of Divine wrath in the day of the Lord (Jer.25:17-26);. I believe that it represents a religious, rather than a commercial system. That it will be the place where spiritualism will abound - the great apostasy.

In chapter 18, we read of God's judgment against Babylon (v.1,2). the reasons for it (v.5-8), and the manner of it (v.21): the sin of Babylon's associates (v.3), their lament (9-19), Babylon's inhabitants and their silence (v.22,23), The call to God's people to 'come out of her' (v.4), to, 'rejoice over her' (v.20}, and of their blood that was 'found in her'  (v.24).

That summarizes chapter 18, just to get a sense of completion in regard to the woman of chapter 17.

'And after these things
I heard a great voice of much people in heaven,
saying, "Alleluia; Salvation, and glory,
and honour, and power,
unto the Lord our God:
For true and righteous are His judgments:
for He hath judged the great whore,
which did corrupt the earth with her fornication,
and hath avenged the blood of His servants at her hand. '

(Rev 19:1,2)

* A good place to end this phase of our study I think.

In Christ Jesus
Cariad




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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #683 on: April 06, 2017, 01:17:19 PM »
Revelation 19:1-16

Hello again,

This is the 7th, and last vision in Heaven, and is divided into two parts.

Rev. 19:1-10 - 'The Final Heavenly Utterances'
Rev. 19:11-16 - 'The Final 'Heavenly Actions'.

'And after these things
I heard a great voice of much people in heaven,
saying, Alleluia; Salvation,
and glory, and honour, and power,
unto the Lord our God: ... '

(Rev.19:1)

* In Rev.18:20, it said,...

'Rejoice over her, thou heaven,
and ye holy apostles and prophets;
for God hath avenged you on her.'


... and here is the obedience to that command: for all heaven rejoices.

Praise God!

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #684 on: April 07, 2017, 02:25:40 PM »
Hi Chris
Thanks for your post's inspirational as always I was just wondering about  these two verses.

Rev 19:6  And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Who is this great multitude and where did they come from are they the wife of the lamb or are they the children of Our lord and his bride

Rev 19:7  Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

I have always thought that the Bride of Christ are all those who have been chosen by him from the foundation of the world the patriarchs the prophets and apostles a relatively small group.
The great multitude being all those who have chosen to believe in him.

Love and Peace
Dave   


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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #685 on: April 18, 2017, 01:07:05 AM »
... ... I was just wondering about  these two verses.

Rev 19:6  And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Who is this great multitude and where did they come from are they the wife of the lamb or are they the children of Our lord and his bride

Rev 19:7  Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

I have always thought that the Bride of Christ are all those who have been chosen by him from the foundation of the world the patriarchs the prophets and apostles a relatively small group.
The great multitude being all those who have chosen to believe in him.

Love and Peace
Dave

Hi Dave,

You raise 4 questions related to Revelation 19:6,7:-

1.Who is the great multitude?
2. Where did they come from?
3. Are they the wife of the Lamb? Or,
4. Are they the children of our Lord and of His Bride?

1. In answer to this first question, we need to remember that this vision is seen in heaven, and verse 5, says, 'And a voice came out of the throne, saying, "Praise our God, all ye His servants, and ye that fear Him, both small and great."': which command is responded to immediately in verse 6, 'And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thundering ...'.  The words, ''as it were', and, 'as', used twice, shows this to be descriptive of, 'the sound', heard by John.  What matters, is the words uttered (v.6b & 7), rather than what the sound represented.  Yet verse 15, tells us, that the sound was the servants of God, and those that feared Him, responding to the voice from the throne, by praising God.

2. The sound which is so described, as that of a great multitude, as the voice of many waters, and of mighty thundering, came from heaven

3/4.  So, no they are not the wife of the Lamb, or the alternative you suggest in question 4, Dave, are they?

* I will consider the marriage of the Lamb in my next entry, God willing.

* It seems that heaven can be a very noisy place, doesn't it? :D

Sorry not to have responded earlier.
In Christ Jesus
Cariad


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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #686 on: April 18, 2017, 09:32:18 AM »
Hi there,

Following the destruction of Babylon in chapter 18, and the call made in Rev.18:18, to the heavens and the ' ... holy apostles and prophets' (whom she had killed Rev.2b) to rejoice at her final destruction. The voice of many people was heard in heaven (Rev.19:1'2), which shows the extent of her murders.

They are joined by the (24) Elders, and the (4) Zoa, who say, 'Amen', or, 'let it be', in response to their cry.

* Then comes the call from the throne, to His servants, and to all that fear Him to praise God. The reason for that call to praise is revealed in what they say in verses 6b and 7.

''Alleluia: for the Lord (our God) (The) Omnipotent reigneth.
Let us be glad and rejoice,
(or be exceeding glad)
and give honour to Him:
For the marriage of the Lamb is come,
And His wife has made herself ready
."


'And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen
Clean and white:
(the text says, 'bright and pure')
For the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

(I have to go now, back later God willing)

In Christ Jesus
Our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #687 on: April 18, 2017, 04:19:42 PM »
Hi Chris
Thanks for your replies good interesting stuff it seams my brain has got stuck on this great multitude at the moment

Rev 7:9  After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

It looks as if they are gentile believers why could they not be numbered was it because there was so many or was it because nobody knew how many there would be.
the reason I say this is because on the love thread John has said that God knows everyone who will be saved so God would know exactly how many there would be.
I have said that we who are called have to choose to love God so that nobody can know how many there will be in advance

I think the great multitude are the children of God they are born through baptism by the woman which is the church the body of Christ.

1Co 11:8  For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1Co 11:9  Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

So through the preaching of the church many children are born.

Love and Peace
Dave