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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #592 on: January 07, 2017, 02:05:04 AM »

Let me tell you - God selects those that people reject

Ommm  does'nt fit in with the norrn does it ?


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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #593 on: January 07, 2017, 02:32:55 PM »
Hi Q
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God is above the laws He created...
 

Don't think I can agree with this are you saying God can break his laws with impunity.
God is Love love cannot do harm to others in so doing one obeys all Gods law's this is what Christ lived by as our example Love the Lord your God and love thy neighbour which means.

 Luk 6:27  But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
Luk 6:28  Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
Luk 6:29  And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.
Luk 6:30  Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
Luk 6:31  And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
Luk 6:32  For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
Luk 6:33  And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
Luk 6:34  And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
Luk 6:35  But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Luk 6:36  Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
Luk 6:37  Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

So is we comply with the above we keep the law Moses received like I said before Christ showed us a better way not an easy way but a better way.

A question if we agree in our Heart or mind that putting people to death for murder are we also committing murder the law say's tho shalt not kill so we break the law in thought   that we agree to the killing of another human being.

Love and peace
Dave   

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #594 on: January 07, 2017, 03:29:17 PM »
Law was created for man not for God.
He is in no need for laws. 
Reprobate humans require laws. 
God does not need keeping in check. 
Therefore He is above laws having no requirement for them. 
Otherwise you are bringing God down to mankind's level.
In a relationship with God, a beloved relationship, do you follow the laws of and for mankind?

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #595 on: January 07, 2017, 04:15:05 PM »
Law was created for man not for God.
He is in no need for laws. 
Reprobate humans require laws. 
God does not need keeping in check. 
Therefore He is above laws having no requirement for them. 
Otherwise you are bringing God down to mankind's level.
In a relationship with God, a beloved relationship, do you follow the laws of and for mankind?

Hi Abishag
welcome and thank you for your post interesting point of view in a way I think you are right being God Is Love and if we all loved one another as we should we would not need ant laws either.
the only way to fulfill the law is through Love so God is love so God fulfills the law.
So the question remains if God should break the law would he still be the God of Love.

Love and Peace
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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #596 on: January 08, 2017, 01:19:33 AM »
Sorry for derailing the topic - but

What I am aiming at - is that ... God is above our mindsets.

In the norm 1 plus 1 is 1

In the norm the widows oil could not multiply

In the norm  Elija could not have raised a child back to life

In the norm according to the natural world that God created cancer cannot disappear..

And so on - therefore, God can overide the natural laws of physics, mathematics, science, etc , indeed even life itself.


Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #597 on: January 08, 2017, 01:23:20 AM »
Law was created for man not for God.
He is in no need for laws. 
Reprobate humans require laws. 
God does not need keeping in check. 
Therefore He is above laws having no requirement for them. 
Otherwise you are bringing God down to mankind's level.
In a relationship with God, a beloved relationship, do you follow the laws of and for mankind?

That's right @Abishag

God does not live under His own laws

Therefore does God live what he speaks [in other words does God do what He speaks] James 1:22 Do not merely listen to the word

There are places where God does not have to do what He is ! [as if to prove anything] "why would God observe a day of rest !"

Why would God meditate on what he has spoken !

Why would God need faith to believe His own Word !




Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #598 on: January 08, 2017, 01:33:18 AM »
The book of Revelation is simply the unfolding of God and His Soveriegn rule/law/plan.

We strive to understand it - yet God has written it !

Why would God be under His own scripture for man


Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #599 on: January 08, 2017, 01:42:43 AM »
Hi Abishag
welcome and thank you for your post interesting point of view in a way I think you are right being God Is Love and if we all loved one another as we should we would not need ant laws either.
the only way to fulfill the law is through Love so God is love so God fulfills the law.
So the question remains if God should break the law would he still be the God of Love.

Love and Peace
Dave


But how many of us fulfill the law ? I cannot love my neighbour all the time - so you are saying @davetaff [as a way of exlplaining it or understanding it ] that God already has done it for us...

Therefore there is no need to follow any precept of God...and therfore the preceptive will of God asks us to evangeliise, love our neighbours, not to sin, etc.

We will never fulfill all this precepts - yet in this seeking to follow a Holy Life - God is pleased Matthew 3:17 And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

Put your name in there ...."This is Guest , whom I love; with him/her  I am well pleased."

Why was God pleased with Jesus ? because He did or does now - what the Father spoke... [now today]

All you are doing now is to follow the way Christ did things [as a Rabbi] you are following His example and in His footsteps.

Therefore you are following God's precepts [preceptive will/rule/law]



God brings hell to people before He brings heaven to people..