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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #49 on: December 30, 2015, 02:09:32 AM »
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Hi
we keep coming back to the lake of fire I read this in Hebrews this morning thought it mite be relevant

Heb 1:7  And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

 Of course all these have eternal life and become the lake of fire which burns for ever and ever.

can angels repent I'm not sure I think maybe they can

1Pe 3:19  By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20  Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

I take the spirits in prison to mean the angels which were put in chains, the question being why preach to them if they can't repent.

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Heb 1:7  And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

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1Pe 3:19  By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

What would you make of this scripture @davetaff   

1 Peter 4:6  For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit

Not forgetting that no one is without excuse as all have been preached too, Romans 1:20; yet after death there is no sin - to those dead - that is they no longer are born into sin - "however fallen angels do continue in disobedience against God", once those who were drowned in Noah's time [had no excuse] now dead]  maybe "now live according to God in regard to the spirit" ? who would this be speaking of ? and remember the topic theme @ the moment.



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I take the spirits in prison to mean the angels which were put in chains, the question being why preach to them if they can't repent.

Why would God have created the lake of fire - eg: Matthew 25:41  "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.


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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #50 on: December 30, 2015, 02:29:02 PM »
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 What would you make of this scripture @davetaff   

1 Peter 4:6  For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit

Not forgetting that no one is without excuse as all have been preached too, Romans 1:20; yet after death there is no sin - to those dead - that is they no longer are born into sin - "however fallen angels do continue in disobedience against God", once those who were drowned in Noah's time [had no excuse] now dead]  maybe "now live according to God in regard to the spirit" ? who would this be speaking of ? and remember the topic theme @ the moment.

- See more at: http://www.1faith.co.uk/bible-buddies/book-of-revelation-discussion-chapter-by-chapter/48/?action=post;last_msg=52688#sthash.bDZ87GfZ.dpuf   

If I may answer with scripture.

Eph 2:1  And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:5  Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Col 2:13  And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

As we can see from these three verses I don't think 1 Peter 4:6 was speaking of the physically dead but sinners who are dead in there sins believers have life everlasting unbelievers and sinners don't.

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Why would God have created the lake of fire - eg: Matthew 25:41  "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
- See more at: http://www.1faith.co.uk/bible-buddies/book-of-revelation-discussion-chapter-by-chapter/48/?action=post;last_msg=52688#sthash.bDZ87GfZ.dpuf   


Like I have asked before a few time what is  the lake of fire and what is its purpose I say its all Gods angels and the church of Christ into which unbelievers and sinners will be cast and the devil and his angels to be purged and cleansed and to hear the gospel and to choose and tested when the devil will be released for a short time.

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Dave   
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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #51 on: December 30, 2015, 02:44:54 PM »
I guess the whole point is not that these elements have been around since the fall, but how likely is it that all these countries share the same colours that are pointed out in revelations of being a coincidence. I find it quite incredulous that God would leave out such a major player in end times events as Islam out of bible prophecy. Did you note that a quarter of the world is under Islamic rule and that it correlates to the green horse. Note also that the flag of Saudi Arabia has a large sword on it.

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I don't think God has left Islam out of bible prophecy Noah had three sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Ham saw his father naked and told       the truth Noah represents mankind who would produce three sons the Jew the Christian and the Muslim Ham who represents Christ told the truth and became a curse he also became a servant to his brother all sounds a bit familiar don't you think.

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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #52 on: December 30, 2015, 02:58:01 PM »
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Do you think the four horses represent Islam.

Rev 6:2  And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
Rev 6:3  And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:4  And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
Rev 6:5  And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
Rev 6:6  And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Rev 6:7  And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:8  And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Can we see theses things happening in history.

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Dave

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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #53 on: December 30, 2015, 04:34:03 PM »
Hi
Do you think the four horses represent Islam.

Rev 6:2  And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
Rev 6:3  And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:4  And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
Rev 6:5  And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
Rev 6:6  And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Rev 6:7  And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:8  And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Can we see theses things happening in history.

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Dave
I think we can see all these things in Islam`s violent and bloody history.

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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #54 on: December 31, 2015, 02:17:07 AM »
Although I see the significance of the horses and the colors - I cannot help but think we have missed the main point here ?

Who are the riders of the horses ?

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Either way it is Jesus who opens the seals and allows [God's permissive will]  these things to happen [His Will] For His  Sovereign purposes

The vision I had was of "the horses of differing colors - but the message was about deciding which one to ride"

If God decided and gave permission for "other riders" then surely this makes God accountable !

He is now the author of confusion....1 Corinthians 14:33;   For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.






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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #55 on: December 31, 2015, 08:23:53 AM »
Hi Copernicus
I don't think God has left Islam out of bible prophecy Noah had three sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Ham saw his father naked and told       the truth Noah represents mankind who would produce three sons the Jew the Christian and the Muslim Ham who represents Christ told the truth and became a curse he also became a servant to his brother all sounds a bit familiar don't you think.

Love and Peace
Dave   

I know it is slightly off topic, however I heard an interesting take on the above story. It was about telling the truth in Love. So although Ham told the truth, what was his motive? was he telling the truth out of Love?, or telling the truth just to tell on someone (his father), telling the truth to shame another? I think sometimes some do use truth as a weapon and not out of Love. How many times have you heard 'but I only telling the truth!', when someone says something to often deliberately hurt.