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Cariad

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #472 on: September 15, 2016, 08:44:08 AM »
Amazing that all creation [the creature] including animals - nature will be saved - liberated into the freedom of the children of God.

So do you think this will come with us on the new earth ?

It seem's so @Cariad and @davetaff

It certainly does seem so, @Guardian:)

* There is more than one sphere of blessing isn't there? The new heaven and the new earth.
- For the church which is His Body their sphere of blessing is in heavenly places.
- For Israel and those brought into God's kingdom purpose the new earth will be their sphere. 
- The Heavenly Jerusalem which comes down from heaven to the new earth is another sphere, for the Bride of Christ, those overcomers of faith,  who have proved themselves worthy of such an honour.

Praise God!

* Everything is being headed up into Christ at this present time, isn't it?  All things are being put under His feet.  Things in Heaven and things in Earth, in Him, according to the will of God (Ephesians 1:9-11). 

'Having made known unto us the mystery of His will,
according to His good pleasure which He hath purposed in Himself:
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times
He might gather together in one all things in Christ,
both which are in heaven, and which are on earth;
even in Him:
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance,
being predestinated
according to the purpose of Him
Who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will: ... '


* For all things were created for His pleasure, and that is what it will be again.

'The four and twenty elders fall down before Him that sat on the throne,
and worship Him that liveth for ever and ever,
and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
"Thou art worthy, O Lord,
to receive glory and honour and power:
for Thou hast created all things,
and for Thy pleasure they are and were created.'

(Rev. 4:10,11)

Praise God!
To Him be the glory both now and for evermore!

* Isn't it just wonderful to be part of this?
in Christ Jesus our risen and glorified Lord!

Cariad

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #473 on: September 15, 2016, 08:59:30 AM »
'Unto me,
who am less than the least of all saints,
is this grace given,
that I should preach among the Gentiles
the unsearchable riches of Christ;
And to make all men see
what is the fellowship of the mystery,
which from the beginning of the world
hath been hid in God
,
Who created all things by Jesus Christ:
To the intent that now
unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places
might be known
by the church
the manifold wisdom of God,

According to the eternal purpose
which He purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

In whom we have boldness
and access with confidence
by the faith of Him.'

(Eph 3:9-12) 

Hello again,

How wonderful it is that God is making known, by the church which is the Body of Christ, the manifold wisdom of God, to those principalities and powers in heavenly places.  How amazing it must seem to those who live within the presence of God's holiness, that He could save lost sinners such as we, and make us His own Sons, with an inheritance in the heavenlies.  That He, by the all-sufficient sacrifice of Christ, has redeemed us, accepting us in His Beloved Son, and has made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light.

* Oh the depth and the riches of God's grace!

Praise His Holy Name!

In Christ Jesus
Cariad

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #474 on: September 15, 2016, 03:51:06 PM »
Amazing that all creation [the creature] including animals - nature will be saved - liberated into the freedom of the children of God.

So do you think this will come with us on the new earth ?

It seem's so @Cariad and @davetaff

Hi Guardian
Thanks for your input as to your question we will need to look at what the scripture has to say.

Rev 21:1  And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2  And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3  And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4  And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

What dose no more sea mean we know that mankind are likened to waters.

Rev 17:15  And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

So dose it mean the only ones in the new world paradise will be Adam and Eve Christ and his Bride.
Well here I am back in creation again.

Love and Peace
Dave

Cariad

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #475 on: September 16, 2016, 12:17:41 AM »
Hi Guardian
Thanks for your input as to your question we will need to look at what the scripture has to say.

Rev 21:1  And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2  And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3  And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4  And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

What dose no more sea mean we know that mankind are likened to waters.

Rev 17:15  And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

So dose it mean the only ones in the new world paradise will be Adam and Eve Christ and his Bride.
Well here I am back in creation again.

Love and Peace
Dave

With respect,@davetaff. If the new heaven is literal, and the new earth is literal, then surely so should the fact that there will be, 'no sea,' be literal too. 

Revelation chapter twentyone agrees with Isaiah 51:6-16 and Isaiah 65:17.  Just as the river parted and the children of Israel crossed over on dry ground, so shall there be no sea, to give unheeded passage to the redeemed of the nations to go up to Jerusalem, to Zion.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris




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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #476 on: September 16, 2016, 01:34:11 AM »
I see "no more sea's" as no more division [between nations] although the sea's are seen as derivative of the nations in other parts of the bible - here they are seen as "division" between nations

So no more division between natons would also bring in the "creature/creation of the waters /animals]

Meaning there would still be a sea or sea's in the new creation [as all creation is saved - not meaning all people - but the creature and nature]



The new heavens I would suggest are "God being our Light" and no more tears or death - although the stars appeared to be falling from heaven in the last days I do not believe , they will be destroyed.

The heavens should mean the three heavens, sky, space and the place where God is.

The third heaven  might well be changed by the absence of Evil [satan visiting God and maybe in the third heaven it means no more elders or visions of people worshipping God] as they no longer need too [in heaven]


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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #477 on: September 16, 2016, 08:17:15 AM »
Hello @Guardian, and @davetaff ,

With the greatest of respect to you both, the problem I have with both of your entries is that  they are of private interpretation, and 2 Peter 1:20,21, tells us that no prophecy of Scripture is of private interpretation, and not by the will of man, but of God. Therefore, I believe that Scripture must be allowed to interpret Scripture.

There can be no meeting of minds on this subject between you and I, unless we allow the Word of God to be the arbiter I'm afraid, for our thoughts will always be diverse, God's Word alone has foundation and substance.  It alone is trustworthy.

Praise God!

With love to you both
In Christ Jesus
Our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #478 on: September 16, 2016, 02:53:58 PM »
Hello @Guardian, and @davetaff ,

With the greatest of respect to you both, the problem I have with both of your entries is that  they are of private interpretation, and 2 Peter 1:20,21, tells us that no prophecy of Scripture is of private interpretation, and not by the will of man, but of God. Therefore, I believe that Scripture must be allowed to interpret Scripture.

There can be no meeting of minds on this subject between you and I, unless we allow the Word of God to be the arbiter I'm afraid, for our thoughts will always be diverse, God's Word alone has foundation and substance.  It alone is trustworthy.

Praise God!

With love to you both
In Christ Jesus
Our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.

Cariad

Thanks for your post I agree with you entirely everything has to be grounded in scripture the word of God always has the last word.
are we not all guilty of private interpretation we take a section of scripture and give our opinion on what it means someone else sees it differently but by all means if you have scripture to refute anything I say please post I won't mind at all on the contrary I would be pleased.
I would jest like to say I believe there are three levels in scripture bit like the three levels of creation the first level is the very basic level the fundamentals if you like the next stage is the literal level where we interpret everything as literal and lastly we have the spiritual which I believe we are in know so I think we should be looking at scripture through spiritual eye's with the help of the Holy Spirit.

 Rom 11:33  O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34  For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

Love and Peace
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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #479 on: September 17, 2016, 01:20:49 AM »
well it's hermeneutics is'nt it ?

letting the bible speak for itself would mean that we put to death anyone seen picking uo sticks on the sabbath [for example] Numbers 15:32-36;

It is about understanding the bible by seeking and searching

I am not sure how I can interpret the bible by using the bible especially when it comes to the book of revelations  :D

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