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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #464 on: September 10, 2016, 04:15:27 PM »
* What a statement this is!!  :)  Praise God!

'And the four and twenty elders,
which sat before God on their seats,
fell upon their faces,
and worshipped God,
Saying,
"We give thee thanks,
O Lord God Almighty,
which art, and wast, and art to come;
because Thou hast taken to Thee Thy great power,
and hast reigned.

And the nations were angry, and Thy wrath is come,
and the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
and that thou shouldest give reward unto Thy servants the prophets,
and to the saints,
and them that fear Thy Name,
small and great;
and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

(Rev 11:16-18) 

Hi Cariad
Thanks for your posts great reading this one in particular is full of promise who do you think the 24 elders are at first glance I thought the heads of the 12 tribes of Israel and the 12 apostles not to sure about the 12 tribal heads if memory serves they did not seam to be particularly good or could they be Prophets like Moses and Elijah or jest angels who have always been in heaven.

I also like this last line.

 and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

How could anybody know that mankind would be in a position to destroy the earth except God of course.

Love and Peace
Dave   

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #465 on: September 11, 2016, 04:29:21 AM »
Hi Cariad
Thanks for your posts great reading this one in particular is full of promise who do you think the 24 elders are at first glance I thought the heads of the 12 tribes of Israel and the 12 apostles not to sure about the 12 tribal heads if memory serves they did not seam to be particularly good or could they be Prophets like Moses and Elijah or jest angels who have always been in heaven.

I also like this last line.

 and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

How could anybody know that mankind would be in a position to destroy the earth except God of course.

Love and Peace
Dave

Hi @davetaff ,

Yes, in verse 15, with the sounding of the seventh trumpet, we find ourselves back in heaven, and to a very important time in the outworking of God's purpose.

The four and twenty elders:
We see them in Rev. 4:4 & 10 don't we?

'And round about the throne
four and twenty thrones;
and upon the four and twenty thrones
elders sitting, arrayed in white garments'
(Rev.4:4)

'The four and twenty elders
Shall fall down before Him Who sits upon the throne,
and they shall worship Him Who liveth for ever and ever,
and shall cast their crowns before the throne,
Saying,,
"Worthy art Thou, O Lord and our God,
To receive glory, and honour, and power;
Because Thou didst create all things,
And for Thy pleasure they were, and are created."
(Rev.4:10)

* These twenty-four 'Elders' are princely leaders, rulers, and governors of Heaven's worship (ref. seated on thrones).  They are kings (ref. crowns) and priests (Rev.4:8). 

* The Temple worship on earth was ordered as a shadow of heavenly things, wasn't it Dave?  (Heb.9:24)
 
* These elders are the heads of the heavenly priesthood, which the 'pattern' or 'shadow' represented.

*The priests and Levites, the prophets and porters of the temple in Jerusalem are all identified with the number 24 too, (1 Chron.24:5; 1 Chron.23:3,4; 1Chron.26:17-19; 1Chron.27:1-15; 25-31). Twelve being the number of governmental perfection.

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Cariad



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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #466 on: September 12, 2016, 05:46:14 PM »
Hi Cariad
Thank you for your post plenty to keep the little grey cells working and they need all the help they can get. It's interesting point you made about the temple worship being a copy or maybe a mirror image of the heavenly.
Then can we apply this thought to the Church the body of Christ I'm speaking of the spiritual body of course not the man made church can we see in the temple worship how the church should be worshipping and working to fulfil Gods plan maybe this needs it's own thread.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #467 on: September 12, 2016, 05:59:24 PM »
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Then can we apply this thought to the Church the body of Christ ?
I'm speaking of the spiritual body of course not the man made church.
Can we see in the temple worship how the church should be worshipping and working to fulfil Gods plan?
Maybe this needs it's own thread.

Hello @davetaff,

I am glad you found that interesting, for I did too.  How wonderful God's word is, isn't it, Dave ?

Within the love of Christ our Saviour.
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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #468 on: September 13, 2016, 12:48:15 AM »
mm  good discussion, I always wondered how the elders were in heaven and not anyone else and why only 4 and twenty elders.



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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #469 on: September 14, 2016, 08:54:30 PM »
Hi Cariad
Thanks for your posts great reading this one in particular is full of promise who do you think the 24 elders are at first glance I thought the heads of the 12 tribes of Israel and the 12 apostles not to sure about the 12 tribal heads if memory serves they did not seam to be particularly good or could they be Prophets like Moses and Elijah or jest angels who have always been in heaven.

I also like this last line.

 and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

How could anybody know that mankind would be in a position to destroy the earth except God of course.

Love and Peace
Dave

?And the nations were angry,
and Thy wrath is come,
and the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
and that Thou shouldest give reward unto Thy servants the prophets,
and to the saints,
and them that fear Thy name, small and great;
and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

(Rev.11:18)

Hi @davetaff,

Sorry to jump back, and break the continuity, but you remarked about the words, 'destroy them which destroy the earth'. Understandably, it stands out to me too.  It is the last of that long list of points, each one emphasised by the word, 'and', and each one calling out to be considered individually.

'destroy them which destroy the earth' apparently involves the destruction of Babylon, and of those who worship the Beast and receive his mark.  It would also include the destruction of the armies of Satan and the rebels who join it, in Revelation 20:9 :-

'And when the thousand years are expired,
Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
And shall go out to deceive the nations
which are in the four quarters of the earth,
Gog and Magog,
to gather them together to battle:
the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth,
and compassed the camp of the saints about,
and the beloved city:
and fire came down from God out of heaven,
and devoured them.
'


* If you read Isaiah 24:18-21, the earth is in the process of being destroyed.  It is in a dreadful state.  Then comes verse 21,

'And it shall come to pass in that day,
that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high,
and the kings of the earth upon the earth.'

(Isa 24:21) 

* With the destruction of these God's judgments end.

In Christ Jesus
Cariad


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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #470 on: September 14, 2016, 09:48:53 PM »
mm  good discussion, I always wondered how the elders were in heaven and not anyone else and why only 4 and twenty elders.

Hello @Guardian,

We are only touching the fringe of things, though, aren't we?  There is such a wealth of detail here. :)

*Just looking at that last point, regarding God's judgement on those which destroy the earth has made me think of Revelation chapter four, where the elders are introduced to us.  In chapters 4 and 5, the Son of Man is about to realise the hope of creation, and therefore, creation rejoices in anticipation. 

* Yet we know that at this present time, ' the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together' (Rom 8:22), and in Isaiah 24,20 can be read the state that the world is in when God comes to judge those who destroy the earth.  'transgression is weighing heavy upon it'.

* Coming back to Romans 8, it is so good to read there in verse 21:-

' ... the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption
into the glorious liberty of the children of God.'


* It is good to end on a hopeful note, isn't it, Guardian?
* God's will, will be done, and all that He has told us will come to pass.

Praise His Name!

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #471 on: September 15, 2016, 02:07:45 AM »
Amazing that all creation [the creature] including animals - nature will be saved - liberated into the freedom of the children of God.

So do you think this will come with us on the new earth ?

It seem's so @Cariad and @davetaff
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