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Cariad

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #432 on: August 31, 2016, 10:49:05 PM »
Hi Caraid
Thanks for your reply jest wondering where to go from here  it may be a tangent we can't get back from the thread was started by Serenity maybe we should stick to revelations.

Jest a few things to clarify where I'm coming from you said.

I  believe the Lords day is the last day of this creation which started with Noah it will last 7000 years we have jest entered the 6th day in which man in Gods image is created Christ and his church united in one.
To follow that is the 7th day God the fathers rest day when he leaves everything in the hands of his son Jesus Christ knowing everything will be done according to his will this is the day of the Lord.
 
I don't believe the Genesis account is  something that happened thousands of years ago and has no relevance today on the contrary I believe its one of the greatest prophecies given to mankind.

Love and Peace
Dave
 

Hi @davetaff,

Thank you for explaining what you believe concerning this. I must think about this further. How would you suggest I confirm this? How did you, yourself, come to these conclusions? 

I agree that to spend time on 'The Lord's Day' specifically may derail the thread, would you prefer to begin another thread on this subject?

In Christ Jesus
Cariad



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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #433 on: September 01, 2016, 08:18:24 AM »
Revelation 11:3-12 - The Two Witnesses

'And I will give power unto my two witnesses,
and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days,
clothed in sackcloth.'

Rev.11:3

* 1,260 days = '42 months' (Rev.11:3; Rev.13:5)
'a time, times, and a half' = 3 1/2 years (Rev.12:14, see Daniel 7:25; 12:7)


'And if any man will hurt them,
fire proceedeth out of their mouth, - (2 Kings 1:10; Jeremiah 5:14)
and devoureth their enemies:
and if any man will hurt them,
he must in this manner be killed.'

Rev.11:5 

?These have power to shut heaven, - ( 1 Kings 17:1)
that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: -   (1,260 days)
and have power over waters to turn them to blood, -   (Exodus 7:19)
and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.?

Rev.11:6


Cariad

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #434 on: September 01, 2016, 04:18:42 PM »
The 2 Witnesses - their suffering and their reward.

And when they shall have finished their testimony,
the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit 
shall make war against them, - (Rev.12:17; Rev.13:7; Rev.19:19; Dan.7:21)
and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Rev.11:7

* This shows that these Witnesses are upon the earth during the thirteenth chapter, and that the beast is on the Earth during the eleventh chapter. The account of the rise of the Beast is postponed till chapter 13, but his actual  revelation must already have taken place a long time before.  The events recorded in the twelfth chapter must also have then taken place.

* It must be remembered, therefore, that when we come to chap. 12, we are, chronologically, taken back and told what will have previously happened.  Just as an author today takes us by one line of events up to a certain point, and then goes back, and by another line of events reaches the same point again.  All through these judgment scenes, or at any rate, the greater part of them, the Beast is on the earth, and it is against him and his forces that the plagues of the Seals and the Trumpets are directed.  This is often overlooked in the interpretation of chaps 6-11.

* It is clear from this verse that the whole period of their testimony will be at an end when what is said here takes place. For no harm can come to them during their witness.  Not till their testimony is completed can they be injured or overcome.   

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Cariad


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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #435 on: September 01, 2016, 04:30:04 PM »
'And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, (Isa.1:9,10; Isa.3:8,9; Jer.23:14; Deut.32:30-33; Ezek.23:3,4,8,19)
where also our Lord was crucified.'

(Rev 11:8) 

* Jerusalem - that great city - where our Lord was crucified. 
* John was a witness to that crucifixion, and now he sees, in vision, the bodies of the two witness lying in it's streets.

'O God, the heathen are come into Thine inheritance;
Thy holy temple have they defiled;
they have laid Jerusalem on heaps.
The dead bodies of Thy servants
have they given to be meat unto the fowls of the heaven,
the flesh of Thy saints unto the beasts of the earth.
Their blood have they shed like water round about Jerusalem;
and there was none to bury them. ... .... '

(Psalm 79:1-3)

'And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations
shall see their dead bodies three days and an half,
and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.'

(Rev 11:9) 

In Christ Jesus
Cariad




 

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #436 on: September 01, 2016, 04:59:29 PM »
'And they that dwell upon the earth
shall rejoice over them, and make merry,
and shall send gifts one to another
;
because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.'

(Rev 11:10) 

* I can't help but think of the whole world watching the pictures of these two men lying in the street, on their news broadcasts, and actually rejoicing and making merry over their deaths.  Sending gifts to one another as though it were thanksgiving, or some other national day of celebration.  How horrible this is, isn't it?

* Why did their witness bring such torment?  What state is the world in by then that it can experience either torment at their witness, or this warped merriment at their demise?

* Yet, look at the following verse and the fear that follows their rejoicing as they see the two witnesses come alive, rise up and ascend into heaven at God's call. 

'And after three days and an half
the Spirit of life from God entered into them,
and they stood upon their feet;
and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them,
"Come up hither."
And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud;
and their enemies beheld them.'

(Rev 11:11,12) 

Praise God!

Thank you Serenity.
In Christ Jesus
Cariad



 






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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #437 on: September 02, 2016, 11:44:21 AM »
Hi Varied
Some very good posts and scriptures a blessing to all who read them thank you.

What keeps coming into my mind is the three and a half years the same time as our Lords ministry at his first advent.
We know he was full of the Holy Spirit so is this the two witnesses they were in the grave 3 or 3 1\2 days is John recounting the crucifixion and resurrection of our Lord.
I can't believe he is saying the same thing will happen again in the future which brings into question is revelations about past and future events.

Love and Peace
Dave




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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #438 on: September 02, 2016, 12:28:24 PM »
What keeps coming into my mind is the three and a half years the same time as our Lords ministry at his first advent.
We know he was full of the Holy Spirit so is this the two witnesses they were in the grave 3 or 3 1\2 days is John recounting the crucifixion and resurrection of our Lord.
I can't believe he is saying the same thing will happen again in the future which brings into question is revelations about past and future events.

Love and Peace
Dave
Hello @davetaff,

Thank you for your encouragement. :)

The over-riding fact which determines the time in which the events of Revelation take place are the words of Revelation 1:10, 'I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day', just as the detail concerning the two witnesses in Revelation 11:3-12 make anything but a literal interpretation impossible.

With love in Christ Jesus
Cariad

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #439 on: September 02, 2016, 05:41:00 PM »
Hi Cariad
Jest a thought it's generally thought that God is outside of time so in the lords day everything would be jest one big now would John see everything that has happened and will happen he would have full knowledge of all history and future
Jest a thought.

Love and Peace
Dave