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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #400 on: August 03, 2016, 04:14:56 PM »
Hi
Thanks Cariad and TJ for you last post I'm sure there are many who read them will find them uplifting and interesting as I do.

Now to move on to the next section although I suppose a lot more could be said about the last section so if I move on to fast please feel free to go back if you have any points you would like to make.

 Rev 10:5  And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
Rev 10:6  And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
Rev 10:7  But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Rev 10:8  And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
Rev 10:9  And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
Rev 10:10  And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
Rev 10:11  And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many

Here we have a reminder of the Creator of all things I find it interesting that all through scripture we are reminded of the creation such an important theme through out scripture.
   
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the mystery of God should be finished   

The mystery of God what can that mean is it the mystery of creation do you think, In many of my posts I have maintained that the the creation has bean a continual process from the beginning of Genesis to the end of revelations the seventh day being Christs 1000 year reign and the Father's Sabbath rest.
The crowning glory of creation is man in Gods image which of course is Christ united with his bride the church is this the mystery to be revealed.

Love and Peace
Dave     

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #401 on: August 05, 2016, 05:09:55 PM »
'And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth:
and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices,
I was about to write:
and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me,
"Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered,
and write them not."
'

(Rev 10:3,4) 

Hello @davetaff,

Going back momentarily to the verses previously covered, (above), in which we read of the 'mighty angel' crying out with a load voice. 'as when a lion roareth'. This roaring is foretold by the prophet in the Old Testament (Joel 3:16 & Jeremiah 25:29-31)

'The LORD also shall roar out of Zion,
and utter His voice from Jerusalem;
and the heavens and the earth shall shake:
but the LORD will be the hope of His people,
and the strength of the children of Israel.'

(Joe 3:16) 

'For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by My Name,
and should ye be utterly unpunished?
Ye shall not be unpunished:
for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth,
saith the LORD of hosts.
Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words,
and say unto them,
"The LORD shall roar from on high,
and utter His voice from His holy habitation;
He shall mightily roar upon His habitation;
He shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes,
against all the inhabitants of the earth.
A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth;
for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations,
He will plead with all flesh;
He will give them that are wicked to the sword,"

saith the LORD.'

(Jer 25:29-31)
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* There is an immediate response to this cry, in verse 3b & 4,

'... ... and when he had cried,
seven thunders uttered their voices.
And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices,
I was about to write:
and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me,
"Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered,
and write them not
.

(Rev 10:3b,4) 

* The response is described as 'seven thunders'.   Yet we are not allowed to know what was said by that sound likened to thunder are we?  For John is told not to write down what was said. This reminds me of Daniel 12:4, 'But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.'  This is a different prophecy, and a different time for it's fulfillment, but it was not to be made known until God's time, as these words that were as thunder to John's ears.

* What God intends to remain secret, who can know!

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Cariad


 

 

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #402 on: August 05, 2016, 05:33:48 PM »
'And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth
lifted up his hand to heaven,
and sware by Him that liveth for ever and ever,
Who created heaven,
and the things that therein are,
and the earth,
and the things that therein are,
and the sea,
and the things which are therein,
that there should be time no longer:
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
when he shall begin to sound,
the mystery of God should be finished,
as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.'

(Rev 10:5-7) 

Hello again, @davetaff,

What precision!  What detail!  How wondrous is our God!  How sure His testimonies!
Praise His Holy  Name!

The martyrs cry for vengeance in Rev. 6:10,11, is coming to fulfillment in a final vengeance.  No more delay - 'there shall be time no longer' - How awesome this is, isn't it?

'And they cried with a loud voice, saying,
"How long, O Lord, holy and true,
dost thou not judge and avenge our blood
on them that dwell on the earth?"

And white robes were given unto every one of them;
and it was said unto them,
that they should rest yet for a little season,
until their fellow-servants also and their brethren,
that should be killed as they were,
should be fulfilled.
'

(Rev 6:10,11)
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* You refer to the words, 'the mystery of God'.  This mystery is part of Old Testament prophecy, and needs no conjecture on our part, as seen by the words, 'as He hath declared to His servants the prophets.'  It is there that we should look for the answer to this, isn't it?  To the prophecies which relate to, 'The day of the Lord.'

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Cariad







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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #403 on: August 07, 2016, 05:23:43 PM »
Hi Cariad
Thanks for your post may take some time to answer but what dose that matter we have eternity  :wink:
I've done a quick search of the phrase "the day of the Lord" the first one up was this

 Isa 2:8  Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made:
Isa 2:9  And the mean man boweth down, and the great man humbleth himself: therefore forgive them not.
Isa 2:10  Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty.
Isa 2:11  The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
Isa 2:12  For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
Isa 2:13  And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan,

I think the first verse here sums up the world to day pretty well not sure about the second verse I think the third verse is good advice to hide in the rock which is Christ then sleep in the grave dust.
the next two verses speak for themselves.

Look forward to your point of view and others of course.

Love and Peace
Dave   

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #404 on: August 08, 2016, 07:54:17 PM »
Hi Cariad
Thanks for your post may take some time to answer but what dose that matter we have eternity  :wink:
I've done a quick search of the phrase "the day of the Lord" the first one up was this

 Isa 2:8  Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made:
Isa 2:9  And the mean man boweth down, and the great man humbleth himself: therefore forgive them not.
Isa 2:10  Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty.
Isa 2:11  The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
Isa 2:12  For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
Isa 2:13  And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan,

I think the first verse here sums up the world to day pretty well not sure about the second verse I think the third verse is good advice to hide in the rock which is Christ then sleep in the grave dust.
the next two verses speak for themselves.

Look forward to your point of view and others of course.

Love and Peace
Dave

'But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
when he shall begin to sound,
the mystery of God should be finished,
as he hath declared to his servants the prophets
.'

(Rev 10:7) 

Hi @davetaff,

The focus for your search into the use of the words, 'the day of the Lord', in the prophets of the Old Testament is in relation to the words of 10:7 (above), yes?  To determine what  'the mystery of God,' refers to.  The clue being the words, 'as God has declared to His servants the prophets.'  The events recorded in the Revelation take place in, 'the day of the Lord' or the Lord's day.,  hence the search,

The mighty angel with the insignia of covenant-keeping power (the rainbow) descends from heaven .  He comes clothed with the authority of heaven, to announce with a mighty voice that the Lord will take unto Himself His great power and reign (Rev.11:15-17) . This I believe to be the subject of the mystery of God, made known to the prophets of Old, eg., Psalm 2 and  Psalm 110.

Instructive as a study of the words, 'the day of the Lord', would be, in relation to Revelation, and the point you have reached, it would, as you have said, take a long time, and maybe you would lose your focus on the point you have reached in Revelation 10, by doing so, I don't want to be responsible for derailing your thread, Dave. :)

Within the love of Christ our Saviour, Lord and Head.
Cariad

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #405 on: August 10, 2016, 02:09:11 AM »
'And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said,
" Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel
which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth."

And I went unto the angel,
and said unto him," Give me the little book."
And he said unto me," Take it, and eat it up;
and it shall make thy belly bitter,
but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey"'.

And I took the little book out of the angel's hand,
and ate it up;
and it was in my mouth sweet as honey:
and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

And he said unto me,
"Thou must prophesy again
before many peoples,
and nations,
and tongues,
and kings."
'
Revelation 10:8-11

Hi there, @davetaff,

I hope you will forgive me for not responding to your last entry in the manner it desearved.  There is much that could be said concerning the subject of the mystery of God, but I believe it is a study in itself, and requires another thread, and time to devote to it's consideration, neither of which we have at the moment.  So I hope you will also forgive me for moving on to the subject of the little book in the hand of the angel.

Ezekiel 2:9 - 3:3 is a parallel passage, and Psalm 119:103.

'And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me;
and, lo, a roll of a book was therein;
And he spread it before me;
and it was written within and without:
and there was written therein lamentations,
and mourning,
and woe.
Moreover he said unto me,
"Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll,
and go speak unto the house of Israel."
So I opened my mouth,
and he caused me to eat that roll.
And he said unto me,
"Son of man, cause thy belly to eat,
and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee".
Then did I eat it;
and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness."

(Eze 2:9-3:3)

'How sweet are thy words unto my taste!
yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!

(Psa 119:103)

The consummation of God's mystery, holds both bitterness and sweetness it seems.
It is the time of God's redeemed, but it is also a time of vengence.
We will understand this when we read chapter 11, where the record of what takes place at the sounding of the seventh trumpet.

*What impresses me, in these verses in Revelation 10 (above) is that the book is open.

The book of Revelation is essentially, 'the Revelation of Jesus Christ', and the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. 
'Lo, I come,' and, 'Lo, He comes,' fill this book, and bring the mystery of God to an end.

In Christ Jesus
Cariad





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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #406 on: August 10, 2016, 02:29:50 AM »
Hello again, :)

I read the following, which I will attempt to type out for you, for it is a blessing, I think:-.

'The mighty angel who descends from heaven in Revelation 10, holds in His hand, 'A little scrioll open',  There are three contrasts here with the scene of chapter 5. 

- There it is a scroll; here it is a 'little' scroll.
- There none but the Lamb of God could be found worthy enough to take the scroll; here a mighty angel has it.
- There it was sealed with seven seals;  here it is open.

It seems evident that this mighty angel comes with full authority and with all the evidences to make formal claim for his Lord.
When Christ, as the Son of man, was about to come in lowliness to Bethlehem, Nazareth, and Calvary, a man of the wilderness in camel's hair was His forerunner.  Now that same Son of man is about to take the Kingdom and reign in glory, His forerunner is a mighty angel.  John the Baptist cried, 'Repent,' but the sixth trumpet reveals the utter impenitence of man.  The mighty angel makes no call to repentance.

Majesty accompanies this great forerunner's every act. 'He set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot upon the earth'.  This first act symbolises possession.  At His first coming though, 'The world was made by Him, the world knew Him not'.  He was pointed out by His forerunner as the Lamb of God to take away the sin of the world.  At His Second Coming the world made by Him will be claimed by Him.  Creation will not be alienated for ever.  His forerunner this time enters into possession.  The inheritance is secured-:

'Ask of Me, and I will give thee the heathen, thine inheritance, and the uttermost part of the earth, thy possession.' Psa.2:8

No longer as the Lamb of God to die for sin, but as the Lion of the tribe of Judah He is coming in power and great glory.  The cry of this mighty angel was as the roar of a lion, and seven thunders utter their voices at his cry.'

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This continues, but I cannot, for I should have been asleep a long time ago.
I hope this blesses you, as it did me.

In Christ Jesus
Caruad

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #407 on: August 10, 2016, 02:55:27 PM »
Hi Cariad
Thanks for the preceding post really good I'm sure all those who read them will be blessed and edified.
I liked the connection you made between the angel and John the baptist  a forerunner of Christ I'd missed that had me thinking of this verse.

 Ecc 1:9  The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

then we have this.

10 This is the one about whom it is written:

??I will send my messenger ahead of you,
    who will prepare your way before you.?[c]
11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence,[d] and violent people have been raiding it. 13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15 Whoever has ears, let them hear.

Here we have our Lord telling us John the baptist is Elijah who was to come Elijah did not die but was taken up to heaven which reminds us of Enoch who also did not die so dose Ecc 1:9 take on more meaning dose it mean that since the beginning of creation things have been repeating themselves but on a bigger scale each time.

Love and Peace
Dave