Author Topic: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter  (Read 18463 times)

Description:

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

TJ

  • Guest
Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #376 on: July 10, 2016, 01:43:06 AM »
The sixth seal is broken and the High Priest intercedes for His people on the high altar before God, -  but there seems to
be a Judgement of heart and intent - for as the darkness increases so the Light increases and here we seem to see God's view
rather than John's vision

Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. - this seems to be more about men or forces working
through men rather than actual angelic forces.

And this seems to be a war [the last war] a war of men/women of power ]

TJ

  • Guest
Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #377 on: July 10, 2016, 02:19:57 AM »
I would suggest what John saw here "was past /present and future  events}

John being in Spirit saw this vision [as if all at once]  but as a person thereafter had to describe what he saw [Lamp before me feet and light to my path]

This may well describe things that have happened and things that are happening and things that will happen in the future.

But do not be fooled by this - shadows become substance as with Hebrews 11:1;

There will be an end to what we know [and the limited Light that we have]

Then we shall know and there will be no more past/present and future....

As it will all be revealed to us - without Words






Offline davetaff

  • Moderator
  • ***
  • Posts: 1434
  • Total likes: 106
  • Thanked: 45 times
  • Gender: Male
  • New :God is Love
Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #378 on: July 12, 2016, 02:34:50 PM »
Hi
Jest a few random thoughts from my last post of rev verses.
When it says to kill a third part of men dose it mean physical or spiritual death if spiritual as I prefer I think it may refer to baptism to die and be reborn.
Are the four rivers and angels the water witch is the word of god which will kill a third of mankind

Rev 9:17  And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
Rev 9:18  By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

Dose the the fire and smoke and brimstone indicate a baptism of fire  as John the Baptist fortold.

 Mat 3:11  I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline John

Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #379 on: July 12, 2016, 11:16:13 PM »
Always remember Dave, these are word pictures of things John didnot fully comprehend and he described them as best he understoodthe. eg does Jesus literaly have a sword coming out of his mouth or is it that his words are powerful?

Offline davetaff

  • Moderator
  • ***
  • Posts: 1434
  • Total likes: 106
  • Thanked: 45 times
  • Gender: Male
  • New :God is Love
Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #380 on: July 13, 2016, 02:38:41 PM »
Always remember Dave, these are word pictures of things John didnot fully comprehend and he described them as best he understoodthe. eg does Jesus literaly have a sword coming out of his mouth or is it that his words are powerful?

Hi John
Thanks for the reply of course revelations is hard to understand at most we can only scratch the surface maybe we are not supposed to understand it till God reveals it but it dose say those who read it are blessed.
as for the sword in the mouth of Christ it is not a real sword and this is confirmed in Hebrews.

 Heb 4:12  For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Gods word is the sword by which he slays us so we can be born again.

Love and peace
Dave 

Offline francis drake

Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #381 on: July 13, 2016, 03:50:58 PM »
Hi
Jest a few random thoughts from my last post of rev verses.
When it says to kill a third part of men dose it mean physical or spiritual death if spiritual as I prefer I think it may refer to baptism to die and be reborn.
Are the four rivers and angels the water witch is the word of god which will kill a third of mankind
You might prefer it to be spiritual death Dave, but that's just make believe. Scriptural context clearly shows it as physical death.
There are many times in the past when such levels of death occurred. ie. Black Death.-

The Black Death peaked in Europe 1346-1353. It is estimated to have killed 30?60% of Europe's total population. In total, the plague reduced the world population from an estimated 450 million down to 350?375 million in the 14th century. The world population as a whole did not recover to pre-plague levels until the 17th century. The plague recurred occasionally in Europe until the 19th century.


Quote
Rev 9:17  And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
Rev 9:18  By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

Dose the the fire and smoke and brimstone indicate a baptism of fire  as John the Baptist fortold
.

Again this is just make believe Dave, you mustn't do that with scripture otherwise you get totally lost. This passage has nothing to do with John the Baptist's statement about God pouring out his Holy spirit.

It is the tribulation period and God is punishing the earth for its wickedness, so the context lists this as one of the "woes", and a woe is always deep trouble and never ever meant as a blessing is it?
So where else do we see fire and brimstone? Let me remind you.-
Genesis19v24Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; 25And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.
 

Sodom and Gomorrah were completely destroyed by fire and brimstone, and when it says in Rev9v18 that a third of the men were killed by fire and brimstone, that's what it means.

Thankfully, the body of Christ will have been raptured, snatched away, by this time, leaving the remainder under the dominion of Satan.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline davetaff

  • Moderator
  • ***
  • Posts: 1434
  • Total likes: 106
  • Thanked: 45 times
  • Gender: Male
  • New :God is Love
Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #382 on: July 13, 2016, 04:22:04 PM »
Hi Frances
Thanks for the history lesson very interesting and I dare say you may be right the only problem I have with it is I can't find the God of Love I thought God Loved the world so much he sent His son to die for us while we were still sinners and still are so why would he want to kill us and fry us alive if he loves us so much.
annihilating millions of people and burning then alive sounds more like what Hitler did than what a loving God would do I believe the blood of Christ has enough healing power for all of humanity past and present and all will have an opportunity to repent.

Love and Peace
Dave   

Offline John

Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #383 on: July 13, 2016, 04:43:48 PM »
Dave,
       a themed bible study for you. Investigate what the remnant is in the OT and what it means in term of those who serve God. You like to apply the OT to the NT so who are the remnant in the NT and who are they today?
What happened to those who were not among that remnant in the OT etc?