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TJ

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #328 on: April 29, 2016, 01:46:33 AM »
Hi TJ
I dont think it's a case for praying for what we want but what God want's I'm sure that Christians in the first centuries prayed for the fall of Rome and it did fall it sank slowly into the sea of humanity.
It's not about what we want but what God want's

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Dave

I think sometimes I might pray for someone to be healed [knowing it is God's will for all to be as in the garden of Eden] yet God's Will is in fact that the person "should walk up the mountain rather than moving the mountain" - in other words "it seem's to be God's will that the person is not healed;

But rather their situation gives glory to God - on that regardless "they continue to glorify God"

Sometimes "what we know as God's Will  - may not touch the reality of our lives"

Here we are expanding and expounding on the written word as the written word is alive and not bound by itself [although He is bound by Himself]


[It may well be God's Will that the person is not healed]

TJ

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #329 on: April 29, 2016, 02:00:20 AM »
And so the arguement here is that some are not healed [due to God's unknown Will]

And we see this every day as we experience "old age" where the body deteriorates and cannot support itself.

Here someone prays for healing while another prays for endurance through the experience [both are in God's Will....]

Yet God's Will is that they be with Him ? in His appointed time [yet others pray [in faith]  that they might come back to life again.......

In other words the [gift  of faith]  raising people from the dead ...still others remain dead.

Here we see a confusion within "Faith"

Some are within this life and God's Will and yet others are within God's eternal plan and in God's will.




TJ

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #330 on: April 29, 2016, 02:21:19 AM »
Philippians 4:13  I can do all things through him who gives me strength.

So are you saying that this scripture does not mean what it says? then what scriptures do mean what they say if this is the case?

The case is that the verse can be taken out of context and made to teach that I can do all things through Christ - as in "move any mountain that gets in my way"


Actually the context of this verse is describing Paul being shipwrecked,  imprisoned, whipped, beaten, [while walking in Christ and doing His works and proclaiming the gospel  of Christ - thus attracting the attacks and testings and trials [walking up the mountain rather than moving it]

The context of this verse "is Paul enduring any and all circumstances and here he knew what it was like to have little and plenty and in all circumstances Paul learnt God's power to endure  through.....as is stated in 2 Corinthians 4:17  For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all.

This is not about hopping through life and removing mountains or it is as described in Isaiah 40:4 Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain ...

And Luke 3:5 Every valley shall be filled in, every mountain ....Plus Isaiah 45:2

It does not mean I can walk outside of the Character of God and neither does it mean I can do all things within my will [because I am A Christian]

It simply means that while I walk in God "I can endure" [as He did]





The context of this verse is simply "He gives me power to endure through"

In this you simply have to read the words in the chapter and see what Paul is aaying.

[but yes this can be used to say something quite different] as in "I am God"




TJ

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #331 on: April 29, 2016, 02:28:31 AM »
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And so have you ever wondered why you cannot remove all the mountains ?

Have I ever wondered why I cannot do all things ?

Well if I could then I would not be a child of God !

Have you ever wondered why Jesus created so much disharmony around Him ?


Welcome to the Kingdom of God !




TJ

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #332 on: April 29, 2016, 02:58:39 AM »
Hi TJ
I dont think it's a case for praying for what we want but what God want's I'm sure that Christians in the first centuries prayed for the fall of Rome and it did fall it sank slowly into the sea of humanity.
It's not about what we want but what God want's

Love and Peace
Dave

Aye Jonah prayed for nineveh to be saved - it was God's Will that Niniveh be saved - yet it eventually was destroyed.

It Depends  which part of Jonah's life we tap into ?

In the end the people of Ninevah ordered their own destruction....and Nineveh it was destroyed  by the Medes  as prohecied in Nahum 1:10

So here you have two conflicts ?  we have this confilct as described by Paul  Romans 7:15

God's salvation and God's destruction. THE PASSOVER LAMB]  [it must have seemed strange that the generation of Jonah in Nineveh be saved - when it was prophecied  of the destruction ?] Yet the prphecy was for their ancestors ...


God's Will and man's will ...movimg mountains ?  doing all things ?

Here we have explored the many concepts  and the scriptures and how they can be interpreted...

See above posts
  and the differing apsects of God's Will @ http://www.1faith.co.uk/hot-topics-news-view/gods-sovereign-perfect-preceptive-permissive-decretive-will/

Here we see the will of God and the different aspects of It






http://www.1faith.co.uk/hot-topics-news-view/gods-sovereign-perfect-preceptive-permissive-decretive-will/

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #333 on: April 29, 2016, 02:19:43 PM »
Hi
I think it's time to move on But if anyone has anything to add about what's gone on before feel free.

Rev 8:10  And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
Rev 8:11  And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
Can this great star be satan being thrown down from heaven and infiltrated the early church and through false interpretation change the scriptures so instead of bringing life they brought death.
So the sweet waters of the truth became bitter.

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Dave   

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #334 on: April 29, 2016, 08:37:43 PM »
Can this great star be satan being thrown down from heaven and infiltrated the early church and through false interpretation change the scriptures so instead of bringing life they brought death.
So the sweet waters of the truth became bitter.

Could well be. But through what person, people  or body of people do you think Satan worked in order to infiltrate the early church?

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #335 on: April 29, 2016, 08:42:21 PM »
In fact, Revelation itself gives the answer to what a star represents. See Revelation 1:20 and Revelation 12:4. A "great" star? The chief of the stars who fell from heaven?