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Offline BobbyDazzler

Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #320 on: April 22, 2016, 10:27:14 PM »
So we are all one in Christ..


I agree 100%. There's a fantastic passage relating to this in Ephesians (chapter 2 verses 10 to 19). I'll not quote it all as it's a bit long. But the verse I particularly like is verse 14:

Eph 2:14  For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

(You need to read it in the context of verses 10 to 19 though)


As for the new Jerusalem it comes down to earth from heaven


Well put. I was trying to get the same thing across, albeit a little clumsily.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #321 on: April 23, 2016, 02:18:48 PM »
Hi Bob
Thanks for the scriptures very inspiring I have had a look at Daniel and came across this passage which I thought relevant  to Rev:8.8

Dan 2:34  Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
Dan 2:35  Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

The stone here of course  is Christ the stone the builder rejected he will destroy the great financial markets of the world and military powers.
the stone will become a great mountain I believe this is the same mountain that's mentioned in rev:8.8 the mountain of the Lord.
The question is has this Mountain been growing steadily since the time of our Lord or will it be a future cataclysmic event.

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Dave   

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #322 on: April 24, 2016, 02:23:07 PM »
Are you talking about a literal mountain or is it symbolic of the growth of Christianity?

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« Reply #323 on: April 24, 2016, 03:40:22 PM »
Are you talking about a literal mountain or is it symbolic of the growth of Christianity?

Hi John
Sorry for not making it clear of course it's symbolic of the growth of Christianity which will at some point will envelope the whole world.
I think mountains in scripture are symbolic of kingdoms and powers.

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« Reply #324 on: April 28, 2016, 01:38:58 AM »
Mark 11:23  "Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them.

There is a problem in thinking that anything can be done [BY US] if only we believe ..... take the above verse for example .....but also and the same applies to let's say Philippians 4:13  I can do all this through him who gives me strength.


[EXAMPLE] - The same problem occurs when I pray for no rain and the person next to me prays for rain...

Can you see the problem in the above example ?

And so I may remove a mountain in my life - yet someone else may still have that mountain ! [this is seeing the scriptures pertaining to individuals .....but what if it is corporate ?  again the mountain is removed from one but not from another !

This cannot work - do you see the paradox ? like "I pray for the rain cloud to go while another prays for it to stay"...

I would suggest that maybe this is a moral mountain !

What is your answer ?






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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #325 on: April 28, 2016, 01:54:38 AM »
If I believe enough Mr Trump will be the next president of the world maybe ?

Hey - I am God  :D [a duplication of Lucifer wanting to be God]




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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #326 on: April 28, 2016, 02:52:07 PM »
Mark 11:23  "Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them.

There is a problem in thinking that anything can be done [BY US] if only we believe ..... take the above verse for example .....but also and the same applies to let's say Philippians 4:13  I can do all this through him who gives me strength.


[EXAMPLE] - The same problem occurs when I pray for no rain and the person next to me prays for rain...

Can you see the problem in the above example ?

And so I may remove a mountain in my life - yet someone else may still have that mountain ! [this is seeing the scriptures pertaining to individuals .....but what if it is corporate ?  again the mountain is removed from one but not from another !

This cannot work - do you see the paradox ? like "I pray for the rain cloud to go while another prays for it to stay"...

I would suggest that maybe this is a moral mountain !

What is your answer ?

Hi TJ
I dont think it's a case for praying for what we want but what God want's I'm sure that Christians in the first centuries prayed for the fall of Rome and it did fall it sank slowly into the sea of humanity.
It's not about what we want but what God want's

Love and Peace
Dave 

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #327 on: April 28, 2016, 03:54:43 PM »
Philippians 4:13  I can do all things through him who gives me strength.

So are you saying that this scripture does not mean what it says? then what scriptures do mean what they say if this is the case?