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TJ

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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2015, 11:38:40 PM »
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Hi Tj
I believe the clothes mentioned here is the righteousness of Christ which we are clothed with when we are born again and we must do our best to keep it spotless,
Jest had a thought Adam and Eve where clothed in animal skins we are clothed in white dose that mean anything.

Iv'e also been thinking about the number seven, seven spirits, seven church's, seven angels, seven trumpets, seven seals, seven plagues. and of course the seven days of creation, seven of course being the perfect number when all Gods work will be completed.

Love and Peace
Dave         

Yes that is a good train of thought  @davetaff

Like Adam and Eve where God gave them skins or King David and his fall and many others

Except here and the continuation of the letters to the Churches begun by Paul - we read .................

Revelation 3:4 Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy

Furthermore in verse 5  'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name
from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.


This would seem to imply God is speaking from a nother direction here "there are a few who will walk with Jesus in white robes"

This kind of reverses the person clothed in white and chosen "born again" before time and seems to be a voice coming from another direction..

What would you make of this ?




TJ

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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2015, 01:05:34 AM »
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Hi Tj

Iv'e also been thinking about the number seven, seven spirits, seven church's, seven angels, seven trumpets, seven seals, seven plagues. and of course the seven days of creation, seven of course being the perfect number when all Gods work will be completed.

Love and Peace
Dave         

Well where do I begin >?

I had God speaking thriough the burning bush ? going through my spirit/me

The next day it was all confirmed @ Church...this happens every or almost every week

Now this happens over and over - in fact every week [7 days]

Now peer at this


John 20:30 Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.


Many signs are not WRITTEN ?  Coooeeeeeeeeeeee

This is John's book [gospel] -  the author of revelations ......

Now focus on 7 signs ...ok ?

Did you know in Johns gospel there are seven signs @davetaff ?  - eg:


    Changing water into wine in John 2:1-11
    Healing the royal official's son in Capernaum in John 4:46-54
    Healing the paralytic at Bethesda in John 5:1-18
    Feeding the 5000 in John 6:5-14
    Jesus' walk on water in John 6:16-24
    Healing the man born blind in John 9:1-7
    Raising of Lazarus in John 11:1-45


Now the Word/Message I had was about the burning bush - which was confirmed @ Church  [Angel/messenger]

Ahh here again we have the fire - with the burning bush  [the Messenger/Angel/ - metaphor]

Here the Burning Bush - speaks in Exodus 3:2- And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the
 midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.


Here the Messenger /Angel of the Lord - Appears and gives a message !





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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2015, 02:13:36 PM »
Further on from this - for some reason I have Daniel and his mates walking around in the flames

With King Nebuchadnezzar watching on from a distance


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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2015, 02:38:05 PM »
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 Yes that is a good train of thought  @davetaff

Like Adam and Eve where God gave them skins or King David and his fall and many others

Except here and the continuation of the letters to the Churches begun by Paul - we read .................

Revelation 3:4 Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy

Furthermore in verse 5  'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name
from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

This would seem to imply God is speaking from a nother direction here "there are a few who will walk with Jesus in white robes"

This kind of reverses the person clothed in white and chosen "born again" before time and seems to be a voice coming from another direction..

What would you make of this - See more at: http://www.1faith.co.uk/bible-buddies/book-of-revelation-discussion-chapter-by-chapter/msg52623/#new   

Hi TJ,s
I have wondered when God Gave Adam and Eve skins to wear did it change there status from being in Gods image to beasts of the field jest a thought.

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This would seem to imply God is speaking from a nother direction here "there are a few who will walk with Jesus in white robes"
   

I believe it means there will be few from Sardis who will keep there clothes white but if we look at the overall picture we will see there will be a multitude who will be clothed in white.

Rev 7:9  After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

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Well where do I begin >?

I had God speaking thriough the burning bush ? going through my spirit/me

The next day it was all confirmed @ Church...this happens every or almost every week

Now this happens over and over - in fact every week [7 days]

Now peer at this
- See more at: http://www.1faith.co.uk/bible-buddies/book-of-revelation-discussion-chapter-by-chapter/32/?action=post;last_msg=52623#sthash.gJVUA0qT.dpuf   

What I find interesting about the burning bush is the bush was not consumed which makes me believe the lake of fire will be of the same substance it will be a purifying fire a cleansing fire burning up all the evil.

Thanks for pointing out the seven signs in Johns gospel I had not noticed it before as for the first miracle it was also a prophecy the water the word of God which he turned into wine which represents his blood the holy spirit.

O dear wondering from the topic again so easily done.

Love and peace
Dave   

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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2015, 12:36:36 AM »
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I have wondered when God Gave Adam and Eve skins to wear did it change there status from being in Gods image to beasts of the field jest a thought.

Genesis 3:21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.

Yes the skins of the beast of the field - a sacrifice of blood [that in the Old Testament never took away sins] and so the woman's  heel was bruised to take away the power of the serpent - at the same time as mankind fell

 Now look at verse 22Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever "- this was a sign that the Lamb of God was slain from the foundation of the world and in the  same way the slain animals of the OT were a symbol /sign of things to come - yet it had already been done.

These Robes could be seen as Garments of righteousness and of salvation - as King David exclaimed Psalm 35:9; and Jerusalem proclaims the year of the Lords favor in Isaiah 61:10;

Yet think upon this.......

Hebrews 10:4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.  ?

This blood shed for Adam and Eve never took away the sin - as it was symbolic ?

Were Adam and Eve "born again " or saved  ? if so - then so were Jerusalem








TJ

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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2015, 12:46:14 AM »
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What I find interesting about the burning bush is the bush was not consumed which makes me believe the lake of fire will be of the same substance it will be a purifying fire a cleansing fire burning up all the evil.


Well the lake of fire was created by God for the devil and his angels Matthew 25:41;

The fire was created by God however the purpose was different !

I say this because satan and his angels cannot repent !

why can they not repent ? is there salvation for fallen angels ?

Well these were the elect of God - chosen .......

Or were they >?

No salvation has ever been mentioned in scripture for angels








TJ

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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2015, 12:51:59 AM »

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O dear wondering from the topic again so easily done.

No - not off topic at all  :D

It answers the message to the Churches ..

TJ

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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #39 on: December 29, 2015, 12:57:54 AM »
As God spoke to Adam and Eve and gave them skins

So God spoke all through the Old testament to His beloved Chosen people [Israel] as the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the World to all who would listen.

He continued through Paul and the Apostles and onto John

He sent and sends the same message to the Churches and continues to speak now...