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Offline davetaff

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #312 on: April 21, 2016, 02:55:09 PM »
Hi Bob
Yes it is a rather long thread but being we take a little at a time I think it allows people to hope in and discuss just that section but there's nothing stopping anyone going back to discuss something that has gone before.
I like your suggestion about Daniel yes it dose have many similarities with revelations I will need reread it to see what we can use here I don't think we can plum the depths of revelations but it dose say in the beginning those who read it will be blessed so I think it's a good thing to have a go.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #313 on: April 21, 2016, 10:19:22 PM »
Thanks, Dave.

I started reading from page 1 of this thread today while I was having my lunch and it's not so bad as I thought! (reading the thread that is, not the thread itself). I'll soon catch up. If I find anything to add from the previous chapters that I feel might be of benefit, I might raise a point but on the whole I don't want to hold up the proceedings. Joining at chapter 8 or so is fine by me.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #314 on: April 21, 2016, 10:37:57 PM »
@BobbyDazzler

Are these the ones restored/left/ the remnant ? [exiled and brought back ?] being brought down to the new earth ? alongside the gentiles ?

Or is the new Jerusalem including us ?  [gentiles]

How do you equate the New Jerusalem alongside the new/restored  earth ?


Sorry, I forgot I had questions to answer.

1) "Are these the ones restored/left/ the remnant ? [exiled and brought back ?] being brought down to the new earth ? alongside the gentiles ?"

There are a few questions here and I'm not sure I follow them all, but I think the answer is "no".

2) "Or is the new Jerusalem including us ?  [gentiles]"

Yes, us overall (as gentiles), and it is my hope in Christ that it will include "us", i.e. you and me, personally.

3) How do you equate the New Jerusalem alongside the new/restored  earth ?

The one (New Jerusalem) is within the other (the New Earth).

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #315 on: April 21, 2016, 10:43:49 PM »
I think it requires your effort in as far as....it requires your submission to God.  So then whatever you do then after submitting 'self' to God in things, is done through God's and not your own strength.

In a way I wonder if in essence you make yourself 'weak' or self 'weak', so then 'in my weakness He is strong'...does that make sense?

This made me think of a couple of good verses:

Philippians 4:13 "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me".

James 4:7 "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you".

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #316 on: April 21, 2016, 10:54:58 PM »
I think it requires your effort in as far as....it requires your submission to God.  So then whatever you do then after submitting 'self' to God in things, is done through God's and not your own strength.

In a way I wonder if in essence you make yourself 'weak' or self 'weak', so then 'in my weakness He is strong'...does that make sense?

Sorry, me again.  :)

This reminded me of the apostle Paul's view of his personal health issues.

2Co 12:9-10  And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

Which reminded me of the verse from the sermon on the mount...

Mat 5:11  Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.


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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #317 on: April 21, 2016, 11:12:59 PM »
lol you made me chuckle...hello you again!

Good replies in more ways than one...don't ya just love God's timings at times?

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #318 on: April 22, 2016, 01:48:49 AM »
Well TJ, I'm sorry if anyone's mentioned this before (I don't have time to go back through 38 or so pages) but I have found that a good place to start out understanding Revelation is to understand the book of Daniel first.

TBH I have not read the book of Daniel lately  -  but I think you are right @BobbyDazzler as it all links togehter like a web or www.   :D

great to see you  sharing [even though you do not have much time




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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #319 on: April 22, 2016, 02:20:57 PM »
Sorry, I forgot I had questions to answer.

1) "Are these the ones restored/left/ the remnant ? [exiled and brought back ?] being brought down to the new earth ? alongside the gentiles ?"

There are a few questions here and I'm not sure I follow them all, but I think the answer is "no".

2) "Or is the new Jerusalem including us ?  [gentiles]"

Yes, us overall (as gentiles), and it is my hope in Christ that it will include "us", i.e. you and me, personally.

3) How do you equate the New Jerusalem alongside the new/restored  earth ?

The one (New Jerusalem) is within the other (the New Earth).

Hi Bob
Thanks for your input I like the scriptures you have used and I'm sure many will benefit from reading them I like it when scripture is quoted getting Gods word out on the web can only be a good thing so keep them coming.
 if I may pick up on this
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2) "Or is the new Jerusalem including us ?  [gentiles]"

Yes, us overall (as gentiles), and it is my hope in Christ that it will include "us", i.e. you and me, personally.   

Will there be any Jews or Gentiles after all Paul tells us

Gal 3:27  For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

So we are all one in Christ all those in Christ will be brought together at the rapture when Christ and his bride are joined together and become one and the millennial reign of Christ begins.

As for the new Jerusalem it comes down to earth from heaven and God and Christ reside there then Christ hands everything over to the father and we become all in all Then God creates the new heaven and earth.

Love and Peace
Dave