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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #296 on: April 13, 2016, 04:19:02 PM »


@davetaff - You could say "this was the Romans aginst the Jews and the destruction of Jerusalem"

Hi Tj
No I don't think so but I think this verse dose

Mat 24:2  And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

This is Christ telling of the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 ad. 

 Then the next question they ask is when will He come and what will be be the signs.
   
Mat 24:3  And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Then Christ gives them the signs of hi coming and the end of this world I see it as a globle picture if we picture Israel in the time of Christ they would have known very little of what's happening in say the Americas or china or Australia but in our day and age with modern technology we know everything that's happening in the world and it fits in very nicely with what our lord had to say.
Of course it could well describe both events.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #297 on: April 14, 2016, 01:44:40 AM »
So history repeats itself and the OT is the shadow of the NT !

So from the small time Israel to the world it expands like a mustard seed....

Then of course we have Revelation 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

So we go from the small to the big picture and back again

Hey we have a mother in Galatians 4:26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.


Woo I have a mother  cheer:

Yet God cannot be female so it must be only "a metaphor"



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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #298 on: April 14, 2016, 04:15:47 PM »
So history repeats itself and the OT is the shadow of the NT !

So from the small time Israel to the world it expands like a mustard seed....

Then of course we have Revelation 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

So we go from the small to the big picture and back again

Hey we have a mother in Galatians 4:26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.


Woo I have a mother  cheer:

Yet God cannot be female so it must be only "a metaphor"

Hi TJ|I think Revelation 21:2 is jumping the gun a bit we were meant to go through Rev verse by verse.

as for gender an interesting question Paul tells us.

Gal 3:28  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

I  believe the Jerusalem above is the church the bride of Christ  when they become joined together and become one they are neither man nor woman but one being and in the same way that Christ is the image of God so God is both male and female.
when Christ hands everything back to God the father and we are all in all then God will be the head of all things in heaven and on earth.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #299 on: April 14, 2016, 05:00:15 PM »
Paul was using the contrast between Hagar and Sarah and the literal Jerusalem (literal Israel) and spiritual/prophetic restored Jerusalem (spiritual Israel) to contrast the bondage under which those of "the circumcision" wished to place the Galatians, with the freedom in Christ into which Paul had led them before his departure. In Galatians 3:28, Paul is referring to the "wall" of separation that had existed between Jew and Gentile, which has been broken down and all "are one in Christ Jesus".

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #300 on: April 14, 2016, 05:16:04 PM »
Paul was using the contrast between Hagar and Sarah and the literal Jerusalem (literal Israel) and spiritual/prophetic restored Jerusalem (spiritual Israel) to contrast the bondage under which those of "the circumcision" wished to place the Galatians, with the freedom in Christ into which Paul had led them before his departure. In Galatians 3:28, Paul is referring to the "wall" of separation that had existed between Jew and Gentile, which has been broken down and all "are one in Christ Jesus".

Hi Bob
And welcome to 1faith  I enjoyed reading you post and look forward to many more you made some very good points and you have a good knowledge scripture so keep those posts coming

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #301 on: April 15, 2016, 12:09:39 AM »
Paul was using the contrast between Hagar and Sarah and the literal Jerusalem (literal Israel) and spiritual/prophetic restored Jerusalem (spiritual Israel) to contrast the bondage under which those of "the circumcision" wished to place the Galatians, with the freedom in Christ into which Paul had led them before his departure. In Galatians 3:28, Paul is referring to the "wall" of separation that had existed between Jew and Gentile, which has been broken down and all "are one in Christ Jesus".

Hi bobby snd welcome to 1faith

Yes I often cross post between topics with the same message [this one being http://www.1faith.co.uk/my-blog-and-blogging-forum/old-covenant-new-covenant/msg55894/#msg55894  ]

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Hi TJ|I think Revelation 21:2 is jumping the gun a bit we were meant to go through Rev verse by verse.

haha  well done ...yes your right I stand corrected



http://www.1faith.co.uk/my-blog-and-blogging-forum/old-covenant-new-covenant/msg55894/#msg55894

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #302 on: April 15, 2016, 01:16:50 AM »
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and spiritual/prophetic restored Jerusalem (spiritual Israel)
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Are these the ones restored/left/ the remnant ? [exiled and brought back ?] being brought down to the new earth ? alongside the gentiles ?

Or is the new Jerusalem including us ?  [gentiles]

How do you equate the New Jerusalem alongside the new/restored  earth ?
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Sorry for going outside of scipture




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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #303 on: April 15, 2016, 05:17:41 PM »
Hi
so what is the new Jerusalem I believe it's the body of believers.

 Rev 3:12  Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

then we have (now I'm jumping the gun TJ)

Rev 21:2  And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Prepared as A bride it has to be the church the body of Christ.

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Dave