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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #288 on: April 05, 2016, 03:26:59 PM »
The forehead is important as it is reserved for God.
Regarding the 1000 years. It has to be literally 1000 years. If it were not then the Bible would be a lie and we'd easily be able to explain away everything to mean something else.

I know I responding to fairly old post, but I been musing and re-reading :D Why is the forehead important? and why is it reserved for God? - I just curious - you stated such, so you must have your reasons for believing it to be so :D

Oh links seems a bit odd on the thread here, most of them just seem to take me to the last post in this thread.

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Re: Book of Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #289 on: April 05, 2016, 04:01:37 PM »
Hi
We seam to be jumping about all over the place from one end of revelations to the other partly my fault I think Serenity meant it to be a more orderly walk through it one peace at a time so lets start with  Ephesus:   The Desired One.
Does  "Ephesus: The Desired One" mean the first church the one nearest the time of our Lord the one he desired was the early church
the one founded on him and the apostles.

 Rev 2:1  Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 2:2  I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
Rev 2:3  And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
Rev 2:4  Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5  Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Rev 2:6  But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
Rev 2:7  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

What was there first love surely it must have bean Christ maybe there love for him had started to grow cold after all the persecutions the early church suffered everything else seamed to please him but as always it's the most important thing of all love, love covers a multitude of sins.

Can we apply this to our selves that we get so distracted by the evils of the world ( Nicolaitans ) that we let it interfere with our first love.

Love and Peace
Dave 
 

Okay, yeah, I know I going over old posts again, but were the questions in the above post ever answered?

Also the reason why this particular post is of interest to me is because of Rev 2:5, which cropped up recently and I trying to figure out why. They worshipped Diana(sp?) in Ephesus?, but what was their first love? and in regards to Rev 2:5 from where had they fallen? what were the first works? What significance does the candlestick have?

Repenting seems key - very important.

Just curious, is repenting and renouncing the same?

I will admit I do not understand what the seven stars are all about or the seven golden candlesticks. Is there any significance in the fact they are 'golden'?

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #290 on: April 06, 2016, 04:29:17 PM »
Hi Seeker
I hope this will answer part of your question.

Rev 1:20  The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

I think there first love was Christ and the gospel they had bean instructed by the apostle Paul but they where not keeping to his Gospel.

As for the forehead I can only find two references in the NT which are.

 Rev 14:9  And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 17:5  And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

In the OT we have

Exo 28:36  And thou shalt make a plate of pure gold, and grave upon it, like the engravings of a signet, HOLINESS TO THE LORD.
Exo 28:37  And thou shalt put it on a blue lace, that it may be upon the mitre; upon the forefront of the mitre it shall be.
Exo 28:38  And it shall be upon Aaron's forehead, that Aaron may bear the iniquity of the holy things, which the children of Israel shall hallow in all their holy gifts; and it shall be always upon his forehead, that they may be accepted before the LORD.

Which one MG was referring to I'm not sure.

Love and Peace
Dave


   
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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #291 on: April 09, 2016, 03:56:47 PM »
Hi
Moving on to the next verse.

Rev 8:7  The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

Could these thee things be a reference to the holy Spirit in different Forms Hail frozen water hard truths there is a baptism of fire and then there is the blood the holy Spirit that flows through the body of Chris and washes us clean.

Love and Peace
Dave
 

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #292 on: April 10, 2016, 11:41:36 PM »
Now look at Exodus 9:23 When Moses stretched out his staff toward the sky, the LORD sent thunder and hail, and lightning flashed down to the ground. So the LORD rained hail on the land of Egypt;



Now do not forget that here we see "the blood smeared on the lintels and doorsteps" later on in this analogy.

Could this be a past shadow referring to a future event  or a seemingly future event being a past shadow ?






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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #293 on: April 10, 2016, 11:52:23 PM »
It certainly appears to be a future event doesn't  it ?


Or is it in the past ?


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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #294 on: April 11, 2016, 02:31:32 PM »
Now look at Exodus 9:23 When Moses stretched out his staff toward the sky, the LORD sent thunder and hail, and lightning flashed down to the ground. So the LORD rained hail on the land of Egypt;



Now do not forget that here we see "the blood smeared on the lintels and doorsteps" later on in this analogy.

Could this be a past shadow referring to a future event  or a seemingly future event being a past shadow ?

Hi TJ
Thanks for reminding me of this It reinforces my idea that what has happened before will happen again but on a much greater scale the passage you quoted is the prelude to Israel coming out of Egypt, God took a people for himself out of Egypt a son Israel in the same way he will take a people for himself out of the world but on a far greater scale and in the same way but in a spiritual sense.

We will do well to listen to what our lord has to say on the end times.

Mat 24:4  And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5  For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6  And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8  All these are the beginning of sorrows.

I have not copied and pasted all of this passage but we ought to read it all because this prophecy is happening all around us and it has much to do with what is happening in revelations.

Love and Peace
Dave   

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #295 on: April 13, 2016, 01:17:53 AM »
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Mat 24:7  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

@davetaff - You could say "this was the Romans aginst the Jews and the destruction of Jerusalem"