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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #232 on: March 03, 2016, 02:50:25 PM »
Hi
Jest wondering every time John is asked to come and see it's a different beast that says it, is there a connection between the beasts and the  riders.
The other thing I was thinking the horses come from heaven  we know the Devil has been cast down so there is no evil in heaven So the horses and there riders have a good purpose to perform.
So I think the third horse  the black one is a warning what will happen if mankind rejects the first  two, the first horse represents Christ at his first coming to Israel.
The second Horse represents the spirit and the blood of Christ sent out into the world after Israel rejected Christ the large sword is the Gospel sent out to the four corners of the world.
When mankind rejects the word of God has it has done God in his loving kindness warns us what will happen with the last two horses.

Came across these verses in Zach

 1  Again I looked up and I saw 4 *chariots! They came out from between two mountains and the mountains were mountains of shining metal!

 2  The first *chariot had red horses and the second *chariot had black horses.

 3  The third *chariot had white horses and the fourth *chariot had grey horses. All the horses were strong. (Compare)

 4  Then I spoke to the *angel that talked to me. ?What are these *chariots, my *lord?? I said.

 5  The *angel answered me, ?These are the 4 *spirits of *heaven. They have come from the *Lord of the whole world.

Seams the horses can be the 4 spirits of heaven





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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #233 on: March 04, 2016, 02:15:34 PM »
Hi
Moving on to the forth seal

 Rev 6:7  And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:8  And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

If we look around us we will see all the things that the last two horses predict happening all around us and increasing all the time and all because mankind rejects God  and his laws of Love all we can do is prey more earnestly thy Kingdom come and while we wait snatch a few unbelievers
 from the flames.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #234 on: March 05, 2016, 01:41:29 AM »
Hi
Jest wondering every time John is asked to come and see it's a different beast that says it, is there a connection between the beasts and the  riders.
The other thing I was thinking the horses come from heaven  we know the Devil has been cast down so there is no evil in heaven So the horses and there riders have a good purpose to perform.
So I think the third horse  the black one is a warning what will happen if mankind rejects the first  two, the first horse represents Christ at his first coming to Israel.
The second Horse represents the spirit and the blood of Christ sent out into the world after Israel rejected Christ the large sword is the Gospel sent out to the four corners of the world.
When mankind rejects the word of God has it has done God in his loving kindness warns us what will happen with the last two horses.

Came across these verses in Zach

 1  Again I looked up and I saw 4 *chariots! They came out from between two mountains and the mountains were mountains of shining metal!

 2  The first *chariot had red horses and the second *chariot had black horses.

 3  The third *chariot had white horses and the fourth *chariot had grey horses. All the horses were strong. (Compare)

 4  Then I spoke to the *angel that talked to me. ?What are these *chariots, my *lord?? I said.

 5  The *angel answered me, ?These are the 4 *spirits of *heaven. They have come from the *Lord of the whole world.

Seams the horses can be the 4 spirits of heaven





Love and Peace
Dave

A hard one to answer - but I will look into it


Of course another view is that the seven seals are the seven Churches

The most common translation is "living beings" that sit before God.

Beast's is only common in the KJV.

Which must not be confused with the "beast"



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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #235 on: March 05, 2016, 01:48:54 AM »
Hi
Moving on to the forth seal

 Rev 6:7  And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:8  And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

If we look around us we will see all the things that the last two horses predict happening all around us and increasing all the time and all because mankind rejects God  and his laws of Love all we can do is prey more earnestly thy Kingdom come and while we wait snatch a few unbelievers
 from the flames.

Love and Peace
Dave


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Revelation 6:7  And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:8  And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.



Okay so Jesus opened the seal and released death and hades !

Who was the rider of this horse ? it is not Jesus here [although He has the key to death and hades]

And why does Jesus allow the rider to reign upon the earth ?


Is there a reason amd meaning behind this !

See : http://www.1faith.co.uk/my-blog-and-blogging-forum/words'n-images/msg54881/#msg54881




http://www.1faith.co.uk/my-blog-and-blogging-forum/words'n-images/msg54881/#msg54881

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #236 on: March 05, 2016, 02:13:35 AM »
We have to draw a distinction between the opener of the seals and the riders with the horses...

Now see : Jeremiah 14:12. Is this a Judgement of God in which God sends a rider on a horse or a people who reject God's reign ?

Is there a link between the rider and the horse ?

Lets draw a parallel/Paraclete between the horses and the Church and here we might suggest - that this is the Church in  death  . as certain parts of history see this and you might  suggest "the middle ages"

And so some might suggest that these seals are yet to be opened and others would suggest that they are already opened [revelation]

Here we might suggest the Church of Thyatira in Revelation 2:18-29







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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #237 on: March 05, 2016, 02:17:20 AM »
You might see this as God's revelation of mans doings [in the past/present and future]


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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #238 on: March 05, 2016, 05:30:45 PM »
Hi TJs
Lot's of questions very thought provoking If the four horses and riders are the four Spirits of heaven  then I feel they must be good spirits and have a good purpose would spirits from heaven perform evil acts I don't think so do you.
I think the men on the horses are more representative of someone than people in there own right I think we need to start thinking of these things in a spiritual light rather than a human perspective.
Do you think the God of love would cause or do the things that the horses and there riders will do if we take a literal interpretation will they come with Gods blessing to kill and annihilate everyone who aposses God sound a bit like ISIS to me, and I think that's as evil as can be.
   
So there must be a better explanation don't you think.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #239 on: March 06, 2016, 01:56:13 AM »
That does not answer the question of the Churches being the 7 seals as they are heavenly

Why does God's permissive will - affect those who are God's ?

Here does  not God's permissive will cause and effect God's chosen ?

Here God causes the downfall of His chosen surely ?

By using His Sovereign Will !

Here God's soveign Will  supercedes His permissive Will !

And that which He allows to happen supercedes that which He permits ?