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TJ

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #224 on: March 02, 2016, 01:26:11 AM »


Aye Cain killed Abel

Abel had but a short life .... yet cain seemed to live on....

Cain died eventually yet Abel is seen as the victim ?  why would Christ be seen as the victim ?

Abel was victorious ...

that was referring to

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It seams this is foretelling of food shortages of course there are large areas of the world where food is a scarce commodity and I did see on the tv some time back the scientists where looking into using insects and there larva as a food sauce because with the growing populations we will not be able to produce enough food to feed them.
I believe we could produce enough food at the present time if we wanted to but of course there is no profit in it so it wont happen.

what about the oil and the wine they usually represent the spirit and the blood these heavenly  heavenly gifts will still be available to all those who wish to avail themselves of then and of course the bread of heaven Christ.

Love and Peace
Dave   


 


To me the beginning refers to  the end

Adam and Eve never had any need until they sinned

Cain killed Abel because  it was the work of the hand/flesh and the other the work of the Spirit [

God accepted Abels sacrifice yet Cain killed Abel

The point I am making here in the revelation study is that Abel was seen to have a short life [yet in fact it was eternal]

Cain seemed to live on and  our evaluation see's Cain  as having  long life

Yet one is death and the other is life



The point I was making is that Cain provided the work of his hands/labours/  [the food shortage]

Abel however see's the providence of God via the Spiirit



TJ

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #225 on: March 02, 2016, 01:35:45 AM »
Abel is about the shed blood of Jesus [yet it could not have happened of course because Jesus had not shed His blood until a precise moment in time which ticks our boxes and crosses our T's]

God#s vengeance here in Revelation   is against those like Cain .

You see the new earth is likened to paradise [Eden - the garden]

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #226 on: March 02, 2016, 01:40:41 AM »
Hi
Moving on to rev 6 the breaking of the seals that release the 4 horses I've already commented on the first two in previous post so thought we'd move on to the third seal.

Rev 6:5  And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
Rev 6:6  And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

It seams this is foretelling of food shortages of course there are large areas of the world where food is a scarce commodity and I did see on the tv some time back the scientists where looking into using insects and there larva as a food sauce because with the growing populations we will not be able to produce enough food to feed them.
I believe we could produce enough food at the present time if we wanted to but of course there is no profit in it so it wont happen.

what about the oil and the wine they usually represent the spirit and the blood these heavenly  heavenly gifts will still be available to all those who wish to avail themselves of then and of course the bread of heaven Christ.

Love and Peace
Dave   

We must first mention  the second seal - before going onto the third seal....

Revelation 6:3  3When He broke the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, "Come." 4And another, a red horse, went out; and to him who sat on it, it was granted to take peace from the earth, and that men would slay one another; and a great sword was given to him.




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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #227 on: March 02, 2016, 01:45:10 AM »
Hi
Moving on to the second seal.

Rev 6:3  And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:4  And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

When one thinks of red one thinks of blood I always think of the blood of Christ as the spirit poured out the life is in the blood.
so is the rider on the red horse the spirit of Christ he has a big sword the word of God the gospel has always bean opposed by the world taking peace from the earth.
The word of God kills through baptism and rebirth the world jest kills.

Love and Peace
Dave

Ahh sorry I missed this  [you are correct @davetaff

I will retract

TJ

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #228 on: March 02, 2016, 01:56:14 AM »
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Rev 6:4  And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.


But you see how it relates to Abel and Cain ?


The red horse is the horse of war - Revelation 6:4  Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword.



As of the individual and the Church  [plural] Romans 7:15; 14For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. 15For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. 16But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good.?


The war between the flesh and the Spirit


Luke 22:31  "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat.


Peter is in the "plural sense" [Church]


[The Lord is my Shepherd I shall not want ?] "need for anything ?"

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TJ

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #229 on: March 02, 2016, 01:59:11 AM »
I need to kill the Cain of my life and find my ability [to be Abel]

Then I will not need for food - but for the Spirit [Bread]

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #230 on: March 02, 2016, 02:03:41 AM »
So who is the rider of the second horse ?

The one who sheds blood and is the rider of the war horse ? [released by Christ]


Now lets  make the waring  even more complex [whether it be within or plural through the ages or fixed in time]

Revelation 6:4  Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword.

Now lets see a shadow in


see : Zechariah 1:8 KJV   I saw by night, and behold a man riding upon a red horse, and he stood among the myrtle trees that were in the bottom; and behind him were there red horses, speckled, and white?

I wonder if Cain battled within ? Between the Spirit and the flesh ?








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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #231 on: March 02, 2016, 06:45:49 PM »
Okay, just dipping in here, I have been following this thread, but a lot of it is beyond my understanding - I've usually avoided Revelations (the book) previously.

However the last post said;

'Not sure what this has to do with revelations but the way I see it is Cain the elder son killed able the younger son this was played out again much later when Israel the older son killed Christ the younger son.'

Maybe I getting a tad confused here, but I not clear on how Christ is the younger son? I thought Christ has kind of always been, because He is God, part of the trinity and was there at the beginning and nothing that has been/will be/is created is done without Him - or summat like that? So as ever I'm a bit confused :undecided:

Hi Seeker
God said "out of Egypt I called my son" this applies to both Israel and Christ so both are Gods son Israel the elder Christ the younger when he came in human form.
You are right when you say he has always been from the beginning but that was in spiritual form.
When he came in human form he was called The son of man but it was not Joseph who was his father but God so which man was he the son of I maintain It was Israel out of Egypt I called my son you could say Israel is Gods son a man .
I think we make a mistake when we think that a ordinary man is in the image of God  if we want to see man in Gods image we need to look at Christ when he is united with his bride the church.

These are only my own thoughts on what scripture says to me I know most people may think it strange but it's the way the Lord speaks to me through his word.

Love and Peace
Dave


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