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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #168 on: February 04, 2016, 04:56:08 PM »
If satan was not cast down at creation - then he could not have appeared to Adam and Eve [in the form of a serpent]  @davetaff

Hi TJs
I think he had access to both in Job he came from roaming the earth to present himself before God.
think we're getting a bit cross threaded :)

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #169 on: February 05, 2016, 02:05:46 AM »
Now we move onto [in our time] The Book with Seven Seals

 The glory of Jesus Christ, the Lamb, is now set forth in Revelation 5:1;

Now we move onto Revelation 5:1 and we move from worship as the Church sits before the Throne of God with the elders and angels
cherubim and seraphim and angelic host - to include the One sitting at the Right hand...[who is He sitting at the right Hand ?]

Now we move onto a book already written [God's sovereign Will]  Ezekiel 2:9;

Now it seems Revelation here is writing to those who would understand the scrolls and the seals ?

Why would God not relate this to laptops and mobiles ? or to the future human implants/apps or even social networks  and social networking ? [is it because these things are shallow or is it because the written word has authority throughout the ages ?

Why would God's Word stay @ a time in history [His - story] which spoke to the Jews and not to future generations ?

Here  it seems as though the bible is stuck in time......

So why did God pick and choose that particular time in history ? and how does it relate to us now ?

Anyway lets now begin to open the seven seals.. [the seals we do not relate to now in our time and age/era]  Guest ?

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #170 on: February 05, 2016, 09:31:42 PM »
Pre creation equals no time


Aye but was there ever a time when God did not create ? @Copernicus B
Yes, time only began when creation began. It was the beginning of time, the beginning of the physical universe. We are pretty sure these days that the universe had a beginning, and that and infinite regress is not possible. In other words, there was a "Time" (If you can say it that way) where there was no matter. So all I`m saying is time does not exist without the physical universe. I guess what you might be trying to say is there was no time prior to creation, and so the creation has always been also, and that is valid point. It`s like creation did not start at a certain point in time since there was no point in time prior to creation for it to start at. But having said that, creation did begin. Haha, the mind boggles.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #171 on: February 06, 2016, 02:54:12 PM »
Revelation 5:1

In the fullness of time, revelation is revealed and complete [7]

Matthew 13:11  He replied, "Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not
to them.
Here we see the book contains  the secrets of the Kingdom.....

Now note the scroll is not read - but as each seal is broken so it's contents pour out upon the earth [active/living]

[Remember now the earth will roll up like a scroll 

Isaiah 34:4  All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree.




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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #172 on: February 07, 2016, 12:17:23 AM »
No one picked up the obvious mistake in the last post  :D

The earth will not be rolled up like a parchment /scroll as this is referring to the second heaven - stars - sun - moon as mentioned in Isaiah 13:10;

Many take this as a literal meaning however it is also a metaphor/symbolic of - God's judgement against evil where all those in high office will be lowered -as Isaiah 13 is  a  Prophecy against Babylon. and you notice the fig tree in Isaiah 34:4 where here the leaves fall .

Notice the "blood red" which is often used literally and now we see two parallel topics coming together at the same time as we look at Acts 2:20; and http://www.1faith.co.uk/safeplace-for-newbie-and-wannabie-christians/%28faith-q%29does-god-pour-out-his-spirit/msg54211/#msg54211  where Peter preaches to the crowds The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.

So here we see that much of this may have already taken place as those in high places such as "Babylon" falls etc


http://www.1faith.co.uk/safeplace-for-newbie-and-wannabie-christians/%28faith-q%29does-god-pour-out-his-spirit/msg54211/#msg54211

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #173 on: February 08, 2016, 02:27:19 PM »
Hi TJs
In your last post you mentioned this verse.

 Act 2:20  The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

I think the sun here represents Christ the Light of the world when he was taken up to heaven to sit at Gods right hand he was not in the world to give it light the sun is darkened.
I think the moon represents the church which is given the holy spirit which the blood represents and through the blood of Christ we are saved.

 So lets move on to our lord opening the first seal.

Rev 6:2  And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

I believe this Christ because he must be first in everything He is given a crown because he is King of kings what about the bow I think it may be a reference to the rainbow in Genesis.

Gen_9:16  And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth

So our lord comes as King on his war horse with the covenant the promises of God to do battle with the sword of his mouth the word of God.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #174 on: February 08, 2016, 06:01:13 PM »
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Hi TJs
In your last post you mentioned this verse.

 Act 2:20  The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

I think the sun here represents Christ the Light of the world when he was taken up to heaven to sit at Gods right hand he was not in the world to give it light the sun is darkened.
I think the moon represents the church which is given the holy spirit which the blood represents and through the blood of Christ we are saved.

 So lets move on to our lord opening the first seal.

Rev 6:2  And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

I believe this Christ because he must be first in everything He is given a crown because he is King of kings what about the bow I think it may be a reference to the rainbow in Genesis.

Gen_9:16  And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth

So our lord comes as King on his war horse with the covenant the promises of God to do battle with the sword of his mouth the word of God.

Love and Peace
Dave



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I think the sun here represents Christ the Light of the world when he was taken up to heaven to sit at Gods right hand he was not in the world to give it light the sun is darkened.
I think the moon represents the church which is given the holy spirit which the blood represents and through the blood of Christ we are saved.



It could be symbolism here -  a problem might occur with this analogy when   the second  heaven [sun and moon] is  rolled up like a scroll !

I see how the earth / world could be darkened after Christ returns to His Father and the blood red metaphor being the Cross


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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #175 on: February 09, 2016, 01:13:02 AM »
Lets go to Revelation 6:2 and go back to Isaiah

Isaiah 29:11  For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say, "Read this, please," they will answer, "I can't; it is sealed."


Now some might argue that the seals have already been broken - because Jesus has already loosed those seals and it is for
us to gain the Revelation through Christ.

In fact some believe the Rider of the White Horse is the anti Christ and this might answer the conflict "when they see
what the rider of the white horse does" could this be the white horse of religious deception ? after all he causes so much
distress and suffering "

How do we find the answer ? Guest

Well lets go to Revelation 5:2-5  and who is worthy and why ?

Yes no one was worthy on earth "or in heaven [or under the earth] ?.....even John now in heaven was not worthy/able/anointed
/had the ability/authority....

Now we read in Revelation 5:5  Then one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals."



So lets ask some questions and seek  some answers /revelations ....


1. Is the Rider Jesus or the anti christ and why ?

2. Why  could no one be found in heaven to open the seal - when Jesus is God ?

3. What are the seals and why is this book sealed  or has it already been opened ! [if so we have received the Judgements of God already] if so why are we still here !

4. Who is the "message of revelations for ? " everyone or only those already chosen ?

5. Have we already added or taken away from  this message ?  as in Deuteronomy 4:2 - Revelation 22:18-19  ?