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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #136 on: January 30, 2016, 01:02:21 AM »
And so here in Revelation 4 we see the worship before the Throne and God is in the center, it seems that these living beings
are there to worship God and do so day and night.

We have so far looked at John on the Island of Patmos and the visions /messages and we have moved on to being in the
actual Throne room of God.

We move on once again at another prophet

Isaiah 6:2  Above him were seraphim, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their
feet, and with two they were flying.


Now notice the difference in the descriptions between Revelation, Ezekiel and Isaiah 6:2

The cherubim in Ezekiel 1:6 had four wings ? and we see differences in the "living creatures" mentioned - as Revelation is six wings

Some might say we are seeing seraphim and cherubim and that Revelation mentions a different group of beings.

As in Revelation The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had
a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle !


In Ezekiel we see a different description as each "Living being" had four faces....

Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a human being, and on the right side each had the face of
a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle.


We might conclude that each creature in Revelation - represents a gospel.


 



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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #137 on: January 30, 2016, 01:08:42 AM »
However remember whatever these created beings represent/are symbolic of.

They are real living beings created by God  and here in the book of Revelation John saw these living beings "worshiping God" before the Throne

This is real and actual/factual/reality/spiritual.

You might now see a metaphor/picture image / of the gospels [The Word] the Living word

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

Now see @davetaff and @Copernicus B where the horse and rider come into play   :D






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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #138 on: January 30, 2016, 04:15:26 PM »
However remember whatever these created beings represent/are symbolic of.

They are real living beings created by God  and here in the book of Revelation John saw these living beings "worshiping God" before the Throne

This is real and actual/factual/reality/spiritual.

You might now see a metaphor/picture image / of the gospels [The Word] the Living word

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

Now see @davetaff and @Copernicus B where the horse and rider come into play   :D

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I like the idea of the four living creatures representing the four gospels do you have any more  to add

Thinking about the wings they are for lifting up do they indicate the different stages of creation

Isaiah 6:2  Above him were seraphim, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their
feet, and with two they were flying. - See more at: http://www.1faith.co.uk/?action=post;quote=53984;topic=8172.136#sthash.Xdo9BCDd.dpuf

Covering there feet may mean the part of creation from Adam to Noah covering there face from Christ to the end of revelations with pair of wings they are flying witch represents the middle period from Noah to Christ the creation of Israel.
In Ezekiel vision two wings cover the body which is Israel the feet and the head are exposed this represents man in the image of God the first man Adam the last man Christ in between Israel  covered over dead for rejecting Christ.
Two wings are connected indicating the beginning and the end are connected Maybe there are shadows of the gospels in these visions we jest need to look a bit harder.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #139 on: January 31, 2016, 12:50:23 AM »
Indeed we wil see more about the significance of the four "living beings" in Revelation 6 and the meaning of the horses in Revelation 19 as we go on

Again it is not so much what they represent here in Revelation 4 but  that  they were created to worship God


As you mentioned @davetaff two wings covered the eyes and two the feet and two to fly now parallel this with
"Holy Holy Holy" Father,Spirit,Son, [The Trinity]

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Thinking about the wings they are for lifting up do they indicate the different stages of creation - See more at: http://www.1faith.co.uk/bible-buddies/book-of-revelation-discussion-chapter-by-chapter/136/?action=post;last_msg=53995#sthash.exp11RIh.dpuf

Well think of it as heaven touching earth ! we look up to Christ and we preach the gospel [revelation messengers]

So reflect on the the "creatures" with  wings mentioned in Isaiah 6:2; these are mentioned as "Seraphim" ?

Now go to Ezekiel and notice the creatures here mention as "Cherubim"

Now go to Ezekiel 10:21; now we see four wings and Ezekiel 1:11 here I must suggest we find reference to the feet Romans 10:15; and stretching upward for "Light" [Revelation]

Again the feet and the heavens - Mankind and God - heaven and earth - we see the symbolism here



Now lets pause  and consider how these living beings and the angels Revelation 7:11 and the "living beings in Revelation 4 worshiped God "day and night !"

As lets consider how "day and night exist's in heaven ?

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #140 on: January 31, 2016, 09:53:46 AM »
Adding to this thought and bearing in mind there is no time in eternity....

Revelation 8:1 mentions - When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.


Was this John relating his understanding of time to his heavenly experience ?

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #142 on: February 02, 2016, 02:08:40 AM »
Any questions before we move on ?

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #143 on: February 04, 2016, 12:48:47 AM »
Adding to this thought and bearing in mind there is no time in eternity....

Revelation 8:1 mentions - When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.


Was this John relating his understanding of time to his heavenly experience ?
I disagree, there is time in heaven. I believe there is a sense of time, night and day and so forth, only that there is no end to the scope of time, because there is no physicality in heaven. It is only the physical world that creates time as "We" understand it, the space/distance between two points and the time it takes to traverse the two points. Take away the physical aspect and make it a mental projection only, the two points can be traversed in an instant. The new heaven will not consist of the material but will still be a projection of the mind of God, creating a sense of distance, a sense of "from here to there" Sitting down, standing up, eating (Not sure about sleeping since that`s essentially down to the physical) I think that`s why John can validly say "For half an hour" about heaven. Just my opinion mind you, but I think it makes sense.