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TJ

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #104 on: January 17, 2016, 02:17:32 AM »
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Hi Dawn
Good post Tanks some vey good points brought out made me think of who will be judges will it be all believers or will it be those chosen by Christ.

Rev 7:4  And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
 
From the above verses we see there will be a great multitude both Jews and gentiles will they all be judges I don't think so if we look at Rev 20:4 we see (authority to judge was committed.)
It seams to me there are two groups those who are to judge then the rest of believers It seams those who are to judge come first then the rest.

Something we have not looked at in the throne room is the sea of glass my first thoughts were dose it represent peoples as we are told later in rev that seas are peoples and multitudes dose it mean all peoples are transparent to him he sees our thoughts and what's in our heart do you have any thoughts on this.

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Straight away I went to "Judgement" but of course this is only "like a flicker of an eye in eternity"

Some may have an image of people praising God in heaven for eternity ......!

But of course this is a delusion- and the "Truth" is that we will be on the new earth -  with God as our Light




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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #105 on: January 17, 2016, 03:12:35 AM »
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1 Corinthians 2.9.

So many views and opinions on things so mysterious. The mind boggles.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #106 on: January 17, 2016, 03:27:25 AM »
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But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1 Corinthians 2.9.

So many views and opinions on things so mysterious. The mind boggles.

Mmmm  do you think the horses are only about Judgement ? @Copernicus B  ?

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #107 on: January 17, 2016, 01:08:32 PM »
Hi Dave,

The way I am reading Rev 20:4 is that the tribulation saints join with the church to sit upon the thrones. The term 'judgement was given unto them' meaning, I think, that authority was given to them to
reign, rule and judge alongside of Christ and with all other believers who are gathered there.

"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: And I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years". (Revelation 20:4)

The sea of glass is interesting and yes, sea is often used in scripture to represent a mass of people and, as you point out, the term is used later in Rev to describe a multitude. Or, could this be, as you
suggest, representing the clarity by which God sees us? Possibly, since it is described as crystal clear. Another explanation could be provided for us in Rev 15:12 where we read that those who had gotten victory
stand on the sea of glass. Perhaps what John is trying to describe to us here is the barrier between the world of man on earth and the heavenly place?





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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #108 on: January 17, 2016, 01:23:09 PM »

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Perhaps what John is trying to describe to us here is the barrier between the world of man on earth and the heavenly place?

And this has me think of the veil over the tabernacle.  Jesus died, the veil was torn, and all of mankind has that access to the inner temple, the secret place, the heavenly place.  This is a now eventus not a futuristic one.


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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #109 on: January 17, 2016, 02:43:36 PM »
Hi all
Thanks for your replies some very interesting points made I was wondering how long will the saints reign and judge with Christ for we read in this verse.

Rev 20:6  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Who will they reign over, who will they judge this is part of the first resurrection will there still be unbelievers and sinners in the world to judge then comes the second resurrection will they judge them as well.

Back to the throne room

 Rev 4:7  And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
Rev 4:8  And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
 
What do these beast represent 
The lion , the lion of Judah maybe through which our lord came.
The calf, an ox represents Israel
The beast with the face of a man, the son of man
The eagle, The son of man ascending to heaven.
the eye's representing God watching mankind
six wings don't have a clue anyone have any suggestions.

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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #110 on: January 17, 2016, 11:32:41 PM »
Hi Serenity,

Great post! Your words called to my mind Hebrews 10:19-20:

"Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body"

Yes, we are only able to walk into the presence of God because of the sacrifice Jesus made for us (Romans 5:6-12 and 18-21) and that is a now event for us and for all who believe in him John 3:16 and Romans 10:9.

I think the throne room mentioned in Rev 1 though is a future event because it seems to describe a time when Christ brings all believers together in one place.


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Re: Revelation discussion, chapter by chapter
« Reply #111 on: January 18, 2016, 02:37:07 PM »
And this has me think of the veil over the tabernacle.  Jesus died, the veil was torn, and all of mankind has that access to the inner temple, the secret place, the heavenly place.  This is a now eventus not a futuristic one.

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Good point Serenity we have access to the Father through Christ and through Johns revelations we have glimpses of what heaven may look like.

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I can agree with that Dawn we are told in  Rev 1:1 these are things that must shortly come to pass so are the images we see here represent what God has done up to the point he spoke to John.
Then God starts a new creation a spiritual creation man in Gods image which is Christ as God always works in the same way he would use the same pattern of creation he used in Eden and with Israel.
So if we look very carefully maybe we will be able to see the spiritual man in Gods image being created St Paul tells us

 2Co 5:17  Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

If a new creature then it must be a new creation but it wont be completed till Christ is united with his bride the church and they become one.

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