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Offline Jesus4me

Re: Faith
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2015, 09:42:11 AM »

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So we should thank God each day that we have already received the Holy Spirit ?

Or I made a commitment when I was young - but "Your will be done Lord ?"

Different prayers with different laws ? never heard that one   :D



Why in the world would anyone, [Anyone who knows the Bible], say "Thy will be done", about healing?? When we know it's God's will.
And why would anyone say, "I'm going to do this, or that, or go here or there", without seeking God first. [This is the law for the prayer of commitment].

Two different kinds or prayer, two different laws.

Then there is the prayer of binding & loosing. This isn't the law of asking God, It the law of taking our God given authority to bind demons.
Then there is the prayer of agreement. The law to this prayer, is at least two people have to be in agreement.
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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2015, 09:55:25 AM »
Strong faith only needs to pray once? Well, I confess that your experience is very different to mine.

Perhaps you can give some instances from your own life when this has happened - it would help to understand. Besides, I always enjoy reading other people's stories to see God's power at work in them.


Jesus said whatever we desire when we pray, "BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED", So if you believed that you have received, Why would you ask again??, That would be an insult to God.  Then Jesus goes on to say, Then you shall have [whatever you believed for].

What are going to go by, [your experience, or God's word].

We have many opportunities to use our faith, as we have enemies to our faith.
Sickness has tried to come upon me, But by faith in God's word, I have always been the victor, not the victim.

Jesus said  we can have what we say, in Mk 11: 23, So one time just after my old car was scraped, My mother and I were waiting for a bus, and it was very cold,
My mother said, "I wouldn't want to do this every time".
So I said, "Don't worry, I'll have car soon",  And I really believed it, And guess what, within a few days someone gave me a car.



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Offline Jesus4me

Re: Faith
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2015, 10:29:00 AM »
The above is statement is contradicted by your original post (below) where Abraham, despite his strong faith, definitely did not get his answer immediately.If strong faith brings the results right now, how come Abraham's strong faith didn't produce Isaac after 9 months instead of taking 25 years?

Now lets get this straight, I agree with what you have posted from Mark, but there is no basis to claim we get the results immediately.
Frequently there is a time of testing where we have to make a stand for God's revealed truth despite the circumstances, as you have rightly pointed out. Sometimes our faith gets weakened, as did Abraham's with Hagar. Very often it is the low belief of our fellow believers that undermines our faith, as Sarah's did to Abraham.


My statements don't  contradict, Abraham did have struggles with His faith, [So do lots of Christians], But that doesn't take away the truth.
You need to know how Abraham's strong faith came.
He had the promise for 75 years, but what made his faith strong, was his mouth.
God changed Abram's name to "Abraham", Meaning, "The Father of many nations, or the Father of multitudes".
And every time Abraham said his name, he was calling himself the Father of multitudes.
His servants would say, "Abraham, where should I put the goats, or sheep", And Abraham would have heard, "THE FATHER OF MULTITUDES".
And faith comes by hearing, Rom 10: 17.

Also medical science have proved that when we speak the word out loud, it goes into our inner ear and creates faith in our heart  [Spirit]a whole lot quicker.
Paul says the word is first in our mouth, Then in our hearts, Rom 10: 8, It's as we speak the word, that it gets into our hearts quicker.
Then Paul says, With the heart we believe, and speak with our mouth, Rom 10: 10.

NOTE the steps, First we speak, then it gets into our inner ear and creates faith in our hearts, Then when faith is in our hearts, It will come out of our mouths.
You can always tell what people believe, by what they say.

Now back to Abraham, Within the first three months of his confession, the evidence of his strong faith was seen, [The little bump in Sarah].

For you to say there is no basis to claim we get the results immediately, is  contradicting what Jesus said in Mk 11: 24. Faith says, "I have it now",
It doesn't wait for the manifestation for it to believe.

The lack of manifestation doesn't make it any less real, and the manifestation doesn't make it any more real, What does make it real, is, God says it, and our faith in what God has said.

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Re: Faith
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2015, 10:31:43 AM »
Why, when Abraham had strong faith, did he not receive a child straight away?



Abraham did have struggles with His faith, [So do lots of Christians], But that doesn't take away the truth.
You need to know how Abraham's strong faith came.
He had the promise for 75 years, but what made his faith strong, was his mouth.
God changed Abram's name to "Abraham", Meaning, "The Father of many nations, or the Father of multitudes".
And every time Abraham said his name, he was calling himself the Father of multitudes.
His servants would say, "Abraham, where should I put the goats, or sheep", And Abraham would have heard, "THE FATHER OF MULTITUDES".
And faith comes by hearing, Rom 10: 17.

Within the first three months of his confession, the evidence of his strong faith was seen, [The little bump in Sarah].
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Offline davetaff

Re: Faith
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2015, 01:35:37 PM »
Hi
Is not the things we prey for conditional they have to be in accordance with Gods will.

 1Jn 5:14  And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
1Jn 5:15  And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

Love and peace
Dave

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Re: Faith
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2015, 02:27:30 PM »


Why in the world would anyone, [Anyone who knows the Bible], say "Thy will be done", about healing?? When we know it's God's will.
And why would anyone say, "I'm going to do this, or that, or go here or there", without seeking God first. [This is the law for the prayer of commitment].

Two different kinds or prayer, two different laws.

Then there is the prayer of binding & loosing. This isn't the law of asking God, It the law of taking our God given authority to bind demons.
Then there is the prayer of agreement. The law to this prayer, is at least two people have to be in agreement.

I did not actually say that  :D but I get the example


So  how do I reconcile the a prayer of salvation alongside a prayer of healing ? [And how can the different laws apply in the same instance] and knowing something is in God's will - I find its not in His timing ?



Offline Jesus4me

Re: Faith
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2015, 05:18:42 PM »
Hi
Is not the things we prey for conditional they have to be in accordance with Gods will.

 1Jn 5:14  And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
1Jn 5:15  And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

Love and peace
Dave



You are right, and we find God's will in His word, [The Bible], so we need to find out what God has said about our circumstances, Then we can have confidence that we can receive the answer from God.

There are conditions,
[1]Lack of knowledge, In Isaiah 5: 13, God says His people have gone into captivity because they have no knowledge. In Hosea 4: 6, God says His people are destroyed through no knowledge.
So we need to get the knowledge by reading the scripture, and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal truth to us, because Jesus said knowing the truth will set us free. Jn 8: 32.

[2]Lack of faith, Without faith, we receive nothing from God, James 1: 6--7.

[3]Sin or disobedience, They will hinder the blessings, it will diminish our confidence. 1 Jn 3: 21--22. 1 Jn 5: 14--15.
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Re: Faith
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2015, 05:30:42 PM »
Do you think all our modern day circumstances are covered in the Bible?

Or do you think that all our modern day circumstances are covered if we look at the individual circumstances and the root of them...so maybe its the root of our circumstances we can find in the Bible rather than the actual surface circumstance? if that makes sense...

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