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TJ

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Re: Road to Emmaus
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2015, 01:08:34 PM »
O yes I agree with the "Our Spirit and God's Spirit"

What was troubling my spirit was a suggestion made by someone that "God breathed my spirit into Adam"

That God somehow has different spirits that He breathes into people



Like Elizabeth's baby "John" recognized the "spirit" in Mary's "Jesus"  "spirit"

Or "the disciples witnessed to Jesus's spirit"


Serenity

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Re: Road to Emmaus
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2015, 01:49:46 PM »
Yes I get that, that was from the Hebrew definition of the words (which are 2 different ones) being used.  A different word in Genesis to elsewhere.

When Elizabeth spoke was it:

a) God using her directly as a conduit for His Spirit to speak out, without the use of her spirit...I suppose like God spoke through an ass in the OT.
b) God's Holy Spirit communing/testifying to Elizabeth's spirit, and it was her spirit speaking out the Holy Spirit's words


Has mankind always had their spirit part of their set up of body, soul and spirit, or has the spirit part only been within believers since Jesus's death and them being born again?

TJ

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Re: Road to Emmaus
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2015, 05:00:25 PM »
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Has mankind always had their spirit part of their set up of body, soul and spirit,

Always ....since the birth of Mankind



Also we have the different apsects of God's Holy Spirit

Isaiah 11:2  And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of
counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

Here Jesus being God in flesh having the Spirit of the Lord upon Him - now here we see a small case s : in spirit. [In the KJB]


Some versions use "Spirit" and others use "spirit" ?



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Re: Road to Emmaus
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2016, 05:59:12 PM »
See I just cant let this one go...
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Was the spirit of Elizabeth speaking or the Holy Spirit ?

Not forgetting she was "filled with the Holy Spirit" at this time

And

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We are nullifying scripture to a mixture of God's and our spirits speaking through and back to us

Thus we are listening to man and  God - dodgy stuff.

I will stop listening to God now - through my spirit - as the Holy Scripture is a mixture of God and man

No one is nullifying anything, let alone scripture. 


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When Elizabeth spoke was it:

a) God using her directly as a conduit for His Spirit to speak out, without the use of her spirit...I suppose like God spoke through an ass in the OT.
b) God's Holy Spirit communing/testifying to Elizabeth's spirit, and it was her spirit speaking out the Holy Spirit's words

These questions still stand.

If our spirits are perfect, if we have always had a spirit, both in the OT and NT, and God's HS testifies to it, and we know or recognise how our spirit reacts to God's Truth being spoken by the Holy Spirit...then what comes out of your mouth is THE WORD OF GOD BY THE HOLY SPIRIT using YOUR SPIRIT!

If your spirit is perfect, and God is perfect, and what God says is perfect, then what your spirit speaks is by reason going to be...the PERFECT WORD OF GOD!

The matter is that God can do anything He wants and do it Himself...but He much prefers 'relationship' and working through His people.  People don't have to listen to Him or act in what He says, this is your choice, however I cant accept that to speak of our own individual spirits is wrong, because it isn't.

Now to the Word of God and Scripture.

Is scripture the Word of God...yes

Is the Rhema Word, the Word of God...yes

Scripture as we have it collated into a book called the bible (library), the Word of God...yes

So why is there such a massive allergy in christendom to hearing, speaking and seeing the Rhema Word of God in the now? 

The rallying against the working of the Holy Spirit in the world now and with Gods people, that we had in here last week is a perfect example of the above, because really...those threads may have come from one person...however the mind set was from many people's.

I have no shame and offer up no apologies for speaking what I believe is the Rhema Word of God, and neither should anyone else.  It is not right to breed a feeling of fear over speaking out what you believe God is saying to you in the now, in fact breeding that fear is in fact leaving the door open for spirits of fear to jump right on in.

Revelation 22:19

And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that  person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

And

Matthew 4:4

Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word  that proceeds from the  mouth of God


I don't believe for one iota of a minute that the Scripture in Revelations is relevant to the whole Bible, but pertains to the one book. 
The Bible is a 'library' of various books put together. 
The Scripture is quite specific speaking of one scroll and prophecy.  It doesn't suggest anywhere its pertaining to every uttered word or written word.

My warning would be ... ignore the Rhema word at your own peril.

There is more to being an ambassador for God than repeating Scripture to people, especially if you are bringing the Good News to those not already a believer.  Scripture states it is foolishness to those without the spirit, therefore quoting scripture to someone without the spirit is not really going to help.  They wont have that experience and get the conviction from God of what 'truth' they are hearing.  Their 'spirit' wont attest to what God's Spirit is speaking because they don't have it yet, they are not reborn. 

This is where the Rhema word can and does come in, seen it many times.  Speaking 'current words of knowledge' in people's lives, that they know there is no way anyone can know let alone a stranger, this is Gods testimony in someone's salvation process. 

All of creation testifies to and of God...not just the Bible.

Proverbs 30

6 Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.


Yes do not add to His words. 

That is slightly different to ...do not add to His scriptures contained within the library of books you have called the Bible.

Keeping in mind, the book of Proverbs was written many years prior to other books within the Bible.  So with that mindset of this scripture means don't add any more scripture...any books written after Proverbs should be dismissed too.

The Rhema Word of God is His words too right?

Guard your hearts by all means, as Proverbs says...just don't guard it to the point of death and to the point of not giving God any room to 'breathe' His Word and life into you.  Because whether you breathe physically or spiritually, you need the heart to pump that 'oxygen' and 'healing, life giving breath of God' to pump it round your body and soul.

It is time, time to shut that door, and step out with no fear.

TJ

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Re: Road to Emmaus
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2016, 11:20:28 PM »
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See I just cant let this one go...

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No one is nullifying anything, let alone scripture. 



These questions still stand.

If our spirits are perfect, if we have always had a spirit, both in the OT and NT, and God's HS testifies to it, and we know or recognise how our spirit reacts to God's Truth being spoken by the Holy Spirit...then what comes out of your mouth is THE WORD OF GOD BY THE HOLY SPIRIT using YOUR SPIRIT!

If your spirit is perfect, and God is perfect, and what God says is perfect, then what your spirit speaks is by reason going to be...the PERFECT WORD OF GOD!

The matter is that God can do anything He wants and do it Himself...but He much prefers 'relationship' and working through His people.  People don't have to listen to Him or act in what He says, this is your choice, however I cant accept that to speak of our own individual spirits is wrong, because it isn't.

Now to the Word of God and Scripture.

Is scripture the Word of God...yes

Is the Rhema Word, the Word of God...yes

Scripture as we have it collated into a book called the bible (library), the Word of God...yes

So why is there such a massive allergy in christendom to hearing, speaking and seeing the Rhema Word of God in the now? 

The rallying against the working of the Holy Spirit in the world now and with Gods people, that we had in here last week is a perfect example of the above, because really...those threads may have come from one person...however the mind set was from many people's.

I have no shame and offer up no apologies for speaking what I believe is the Rhema Word of God, and neither should anyone else.  It is not right to breed a feeling of fear over speaking out what you believe God is saying to you in the now, in fact breeding that fear is in fact leaving the door open for spirits of fear to jump right on in.

Revelation 22:19

And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that  person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

And

Matthew 4:4

Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word  that proceeds from the  mouth of God


I don't believe for one iota of a minute that the Scripture in Revelations is relevant to the whole Bible, but pertains to the one book. 
The Bible is a 'library' of various books put together. 
The Scripture is quite specific speaking of one scroll and prophecy.  It doesn't suggest anywhere its pertaining to every uttered word or written word.

My warning would be ... ignore the Rhema word at your own peril.

There is more to being an ambassador for God than repeating Scripture to people, especially if you are bringing the Good News to those not already a believer.  Scripture states it is foolishness to those without the spirit, therefore quoting scripture to someone without the spirit is not really going to help.  They wont have that experience and get the conviction from God of what 'truth' they are hearing.  Their 'spirit' wont attest to what God's Spirit is speaking because they don't have it yet, they are not reborn. 

This is where the Rhema word can and does come in, seen it many times.  Speaking 'current words of knowledge' in people's lives, that they know there is no way anyone can know let alone a stranger, this is Gods testimony in someone's salvation process. 

All of creation testifies to and of God...not just the Bible.

Proverbs 30

6 Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.


Yes do not add to His words. 

That is slightly different to ...do not add to His scriptures contained within the library of books you have called the Bible.

Keeping in mind, the book of Proverbs was written many years prior to other books within the Bible.  So with that mindset of this scripture means don't add any more scripture...any books written after Proverbs should be dismissed too.

The Rhema Word of God is His words too right?

Guard your hearts by all means, as Proverbs says...just don't guard it to the point of death and to the point of not giving God any room to 'breathe' His Word and life into you.  Because whether you breathe physically or spiritually, you need the heart to pump that 'oxygen' and 'healing, life giving breath of God' to pump it round your body and soul.

It is time, time to shut that door, and step out with no fear.

O goodness - I can't even remember now what my train of thought was while posting in November  :D, but knowing me I was coming from differing angles to get people into debate. [but no one took the bait]   :-X

But lets begin again



I remember once being in a meeting and someone behind us began speaking in tongues [which was interpreted] - but it  sent a shudder down the person sitting next to me and afterwards the person said to me "that was not the Holy Spirit"

Now I can see some posting there in this topic from @TJ's which is speaking from the person and not from the Holy Spirit....

If it were from the Holy Spirit then it would be "correct" >?

It is something I have never really studied before and it is an interesting topic

I believe the point I am making is "that all scripture is God breathed" but not all Rhema  "  as if I was always right and always on top form then why would I always need that "door open" and "why do I get it wrong so many times ?"

TJ began speaking from his own person rather than speaking the words of God .... - which leads me to set it up as an example of "God's Spirit and our "spirit"

I think its more complex than it looks because the Rhema can be counterfeited - which is why we are given "discernment"

any thoughts ?

hope that makes sense


Serenity

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Re: Road to Emmaus
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2016, 01:11:51 AM »
Yes and how does your discernment manifest itself? how do you know when you have correctly discerned something? these are your signposts for what is Truth and what is lies.

This song came to mind, it was one that I would often listen to when I was in the midst of my time on antidepressants and depression.  It helped me hold onto God's Word over my life, and He has got me thus far, because I believed in that spoken over me.  So I wanted to share that with you and hopefully the 'lyrics' will add to this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uypoBjgpQOg

The gate is wide, the road is paved in moderation
 The crowd is kind and quick to pull you in
 Welcome to the middle ground
 You're safe and sound and
 Until now it's where I've been

'Cause it's been fear
 That ties me down to everything
 But it's been love, Your love
 That cuts the strings

So long status quo, I think I just let go
 You make me wanna be brave
 The way it always was is no longer good enough
 You make me wanna be brave
 Brave, brave

I am small and I speak when I'm spoken to
 But I am willing to risk it all
 I say Your name, just Your name
 And I'm ready to jump
 Even ready to fall

Why did I
 Take this vow of compromise?
 Why did I
 Try to keep it all inside?

So long status quo, I think I just let go
 You make me want to be brave
 The way it always was is no longer good enough
 You make me wanna be brave
 Brave, brave

I've never known a fire that didn't begin with a flame
 And every storm will start with just a drop of rain
 But if You believe in me that changes everything
 So long, I'm gone

So long status quo, I think I just let go
 You make me wanna be brave, I wanna be brave
 The way it always was is no longer good enough
 You make me wanna be brave
 Brave, brave, brave




All I can say is I cant deny God's working in my life, because seriously, if He sets you free you are free indeed in so many ways.  Makes ya wanna kind of shout it from the rooftops, like the 'Happy Song' by delirious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQuq2xWLyTc

Oh, I could sing unending songs
 Of how You saved my soul
 Well, I could dance a thousand miles
 Because of Your great love, yeah

My heart is bursting Lord
 To tell of all You've done
 Of how You changed my life
 And wiped away the past

Oh, I wanna shout it out
 From every roof top, sing
 For now I know that God
 Is for me not against me

Oh, I could sing unending songs
 Of how You saved my soul
 Well, I could dance a thousand miles
 Because of Your great love
 Oh oh, everybody dance, yeah

My heart is bursting Lord
 To tell of all You've done
 Of how You changed my life
 And wiped away the past

Oh, I wanna shout it out
 From every roof top, sing
 For now I know that God
 Is for me not against me




Don't really wanna apologise for spilling my happiness and freedom all over place.  This time with God should be respected.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uypoBjgpQOg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQuq2xWLyTc

TJ

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Re: Road to Emmaus
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2016, 02:29:26 AM »
I have no idea where this is going or what is intended - however I know from experience [coming  from applying the bible] that there is a danger

In applying the written word ? and the application of ..... it does not work out as presented ?

In the application of the "Rhema word  which is the now word  and in walking in the Holy Spirit ?

There is a lot of frustration ? where even the Holy Spirit is frustrated ?

I remember a "Now Word" where I had a "Word" for a person - and I had a vision of this woman and I could see her and A Now Word - for her ?

Except it was not for her but about her ....

I got the "Now Word" but I applied it and interpreted it wrongly ?

I gavand e the word to her and afterwards I realized that the "Word" was about her.

Time and time again I began to realize that the Holy Spirit was being frustrated...

He was being frustrated by people with their own agendas.

The "Rhema word" is great and is always right - except even those closest to you work against Him...

If the Rhema word is to work [as the Holy Spirit] is always "Right and True" He needs the "people" to work with Him.

Unfortunately  I have learn't from experience that the "Now Word" is reliant on people [His people] complying and submitting to Him.

Thus the Rhema Word does not always happen as prescribed

In the same way we know that the written word does not always collate with the Rhema Word






TJ

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Re: Road to Emmaus
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2016, 02:35:48 AM »
Time and time again the Holy Spirit speaks in the Now ...

Except He is frustrated

How can He be so wrong ?

He is not -  but is always True.

The problem is "that people get in the way"

Because people are not always true or right.....

And this is the inward struggle

So people [in general] acknowledge the "Written Word"  as this is far more security based and something the find security in


However this secure "Word" only has biblical principles that can be applied in life - for our better good

 

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