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Offline Jesus4me

Re: Smartly dressed or not.
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2015, 09:55:42 AM »

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Personally I wary of people in suits - just because they are wearing a suit does not make them good. I think maybe I wary of such because often people out to 'hoodwink' others will dress smartly, because they believe people will trust them if they are dressed smartly - has the opposite affect on me.

I also think about the Bible and how well dressed the Pharisees were and how they liked to be seen smartly dressed. All image and no substance/heart? Jesus didn't wear a load of material finery did He?

Also this bit in the Bible sprang to mind; James 2:1-4 ' My brethren, do not hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with partiality.  2 For if there should come into your assembly a man with gold rings, in fine apparel, and there should also come in a poor man in filthy clothes,  3 and you pay attention to the one wearing the fine clothes and say to him, ?You sit here in a good place,? and say to the poor man, ?You stand there,? or, ?Sit here at my footstool,?  4 have you not shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts?'


People in scruffy clothes can be [And some are] just the same as some people in suits.  That is no excuse not to respect those who honour the Lord by dressing smart.

You are taking James 2: 1--4, out of context with this subject, as it's not the people that are looking at our clothes, But how we are dressed.
The problem was with the man who had the respecter of persons, In James 2: 3--4. Not with the man who was goodly clothes.

As for Jesus, He wore designer clothes of that day, Why do you think the people cast lots for His garment, when Jesus was on the cross.
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Re: Smartly dressed or not.
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2015, 11:56:30 AM »

How??, We are servants of the Lord, And if a servant in a high class restaurant has to be smartly dressed, How much more should a servant of the MOST HIGH GOD, Be smartly dressed.

That's all fine and well if your church is in the middle of Beverly hills...but then becomes not so fine and well when it is in the middle of a inner city area where a lot of rejects of society are. 

Crack on with your suit wearing and see how many ears, eyes, minds and hearts are closed, simply down to the fact of the attire you insist on wearing.  God meets people where they are at and not expecting people to meet Him where He is at...

To lead anyone to the 'banqueting table' in your fine dining restaurant, you need to get yourself down to where people are at, eating the crumbs off the floor and not the nice clean, shiny tables, but then to do that would mean getting the squeaky clean suits, all dusty and dirty from the floor, when kneeling down. 

Why concern over what the outside of that cup looks like, should be more concerned about what is in it and what wine is filling it. 

You shall know them by their fruits...nowhere, and I mean nowhere, does the Scripture referencing fruits include....you shall know them by the suits they wear!

Attire is a unhealthy and irrelevant obsession.  Comparing being a Servant of the Lord (not all servants get posh frocks ya know) to a high priced dining experience is ridiculous and insisting on what suit you wear, detracts I think from the focus people should be having in church, which shouldn't be clothes but God.

Offline Jesus4me

Re: Smartly dressed or not.
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2015, 12:23:39 PM »
That's all fine and well if your church is in the middle of Beverly hills...but then becomes not so fine and well when it is in the middle of a inner city area where a lot of rejects of society are. 

Crack on with your suit wearing and see how many ears, eyes, minds and hearts are closed, simply down to the fact of the attire you insist on wearing.  God meets people where they are at and not expecting people to meet Him where He is at...

To lead anyone to the 'banqueting table' in your fine dining restaurant, you need to get yourself down to where people are at, eating the crumbs off the floor and not the nice clean, shiny tables, but then to do that would mean getting the squeaky clean suits, all dusty and dirty from the floor when kneeling down. 

Why concern over what the outside of that cup looks like, should be more concerned about what is in it and what wine is filling it. 

You shall know them by their fruits...nowhere, and I mean nowhere, does the Scripture referencing fruits include....you shall know them by the suits they wear!

Attire is a unhealthy and irrelevant obsession.  Comparing being a Servant of the Lord (not all servants get posh frocks ya know) to a high priced dining experience is ridiculous and insisting on what suit you wear, detracts I think from the focus people should be having in church, which shouldn't be clothes but God.


Of cause God meets people where they are financially, As long as a person goes to Church dressed as best that they can, and their heart is right, then that's fine, Because if the rejects had the money, they would dress smart.

The truth is, When one dresses in a suit, shirt and tie, People have more respect for them.

If the inside of your [So called cup] is right, The dress code will be right.

Being smartly dressed is showing respect for God, And those who Minister, are showing respect for God, their Ministry and the people who they minister to.

The fruits, is the character of Jesus, and He wore designer clothes. So producing fruit will make us like Jesus.

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Re: Smartly dressed or not.
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2015, 12:32:43 PM »
You know, I have already put my perspective across on the subject, as indeed you have Jesus4me, I refer you back to the 1st page of this thread and my post there.


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Equally though I wouldn't look at someone walking into church with a suit and tie on as anything, because that is the point I just don't care what people wear because it is irrelevant and temporary to me, when the real reason I am in church is for eternal purposes.

Clothes are not my issue when walking into a church building, hearts are paramount...that would be others and my own. 
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The truth is, When one dresses in a suit, shirt and tie, People have more respect for them.

In your opinion and eyes that's what ALL people think.  But then, I try not to only look through my own eyes.  I can assure you, that is not the only option open to people's thoughts when they see someone in a suit, I have already explained that previously.
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If the inside of your [So called cup] is right...

This came across as a slight dig tut tut, so I wont give this comment the time of day im afraid.  There is nothing 'so called' about my cup. :D

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Because if the rejects had the money, they would dress smart.

Not necessarily, I have often found the rejects when they do have money are more likely to use it to help others, rather than the rich man who insists on his finery...there is a parable in the bible that covers that.

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The fruits, is the character of Jesus, and He wore designer clothes

Character of Jesus, has diddly squat to do with clothes, absolutely nothing at all.  Designer clothes...how worldly.

You originally put before amending...that you take it im one of the scruffy people who walk into a church...I dunno, am I?

You also put originally before amending....as long as a person goes to Church dressed as best they can, and their 'head' (not heart as amended), is right then that is fine.  At some point yes we do need to get out of the head and into the heart...one day Lord, one day.

Have to say, this has been rather an eye opening thread in many ways Jesus4me, thanks for bringing it up.


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Re: Smartly dressed or not.
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2015, 01:49:37 PM »
This is where I put down my silent defence of the Church and put this into perspective..

Because it is not really even about going to Church

Its about how I live and present myself in the real world, everyday and at home/work.

I remember years ago listening to a preach about "giving my time to the Lord or "stewardship of my time"

It was like sectioning off parts of the day to different things and so you could say "I gave 2 hours per day to God"

But in the end was it really about me permitting God to have some of my time ?

Now I'm extending this further from exterior dress






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Re: Smartly dressed or not.
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2015, 03:05:23 PM »
For me, its like this...this is the kind of clothing I am interested in or look out for:

Colossians 3

12Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience

Offline Seeker

Re: Smartly dressed or not.
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2015, 04:29:52 PM »
I am just extremely thankful God does not judge by outward appearances.

Another question - is this world obsessed with image and appearances?

Offline Jesus4me

Re: Smartly dressed or not.
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2015, 04:40:18 PM »
You know, I have already put my perspective across on the subject, as indeed you have Jesus4me, I refer you back to the 1st page of this thread and my post there.



Clothes are not my issue when walking into a church building, hearts are paramount...that would be others and my own. 
In your opinion and eyes that's what ALL people think.  But then, I try not to only look through my own eyes.  I can assure you, that is not the only option open to people's thoughts when they see someone in a suit, I have already explained that previously.
This came across as a slight dig tut tut, so I wont give this comment the time of day im afraid.  There is nothing 'so called' about my cup. :D

Not necessarily, I have often found the rejects when they do have money are more likely to use it to help others, rather than the rich man who insists on his finery...there is a parable in the bible that covers that.

Character of Jesus, has diddly squat to do with clothes, absolutely nothing at all.  Designer clothes...how worldly.

You originally put before amending...that you take it im one of the scruffy people who walk into a church...I dunno, am I?

You also put originally before amending....as long as a person goes to Church dressed as best they can, and their 'head' (not heart as amended), is right then that is fine.  At some point yes we do need to get out of the head and into the heart...one day Lord, one day.

Have to say, this has been rather an eye opening thread in many ways Jesus4me, thanks for bringing it up.

The character of Jesus has everything to do with clothes, Because if your heart is right, your dress code will be right.
You watch people who dress scruffy in Church, But when they go to an important business meeting, or meet someone important, You watch how smart they dress.
But when it comes to Church, their attitude is, "It's only God". YES, The character of Jesus has everything to do with how we dress.
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