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Do you believe in pre, post or mid tribulation rapture?

Pre trib.
3 (30%)
Mid trib.
0 (0%)
Post trib.
1 (10%)
Don't believe in the rapture.
3 (30%)
Not sure.
3 (30%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: September 28, 2015, 09:56:38 PM

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Offline John

Re: Tribulation.
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2016, 08:49:00 PM »

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yet Jesus's resurection body was real and arn't we going to have a new body, after all why create a new heaven and a new earth if we are disembodied spirits.

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Re: Tribulation.
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2016, 08:50:51 PM »
Why assume the new heaven and the new earth will be even similar to what your understanding now is of what heaven is currently and what earth is currently.  He will make ALL things new.

Offline John

Re: Tribulation.
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2016, 08:53:00 PM »
The tabernacle made by moses was a copy of what the real one in heaven was like, So if this world is only a copy then the new one will be like it but only better.

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Re: Tribulation.
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2016, 09:11:04 PM »
Okay let me put it another way.  Have all the 'Arks' up to date all been the same, except for a bit of upgrading and remodelling, like a car?

Offline francis drake

Re: Tribulation.
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2016, 05:39:46 PM »
According your interpretation of them. Real doesn't have to mean physical, does it? What if the "real" is only where God as a Spirit is and what we have here is imaginary. At the end of our course, if there is nothing good left of us, then would we not cease to exist?

@Amadeus my friend, what you are describing sounds like the Sudducees belief system?

Just because scripture tells us that God is spirit, and is invisible, men extrapolate that description and give him attributes that are completely erroneous.  Being spirit does not mean God is merely like gas or a vapour. Being invisible refers merely to the natural human eye.
Angels are also spirits yet have definite form, and have been encountered both visibly and invisibly since creation.

The following interesting scripture shows both Jesus and the Father.-
Dan7v9 I beheld till the thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and its wheels as burning fire.

Here we see God sitting on a throne, he wears a garment, he has hair, hardly the description of a formless God. Clearly he has a somewhat manlike figure, and considering that we have been made in His image,  God possessing human form should not be surprising.

God is not merely a shimmering spiritual nothingness as some seem to think. Jesus told the disciples that if they had seen him, they had seen the Father. Like Father, like Son, as the saying goes!

And just to be crystal clear, the person on the throne is not Jesus as we shall soon see.

10A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spoke: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

12As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

(To understand v11&12, you need to read the preceding scriptures, not relevant to my purposes here)

13I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Suddenly we see Jesus enter the scene. Even though Jesus is like his father, Daniel sees a clear difference in form between the human Jesus and God the Father.

14And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

And just to make it clear that Jesus did not inherit his divinity at this juncture, I add the following verse.

 John17v5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

ie. Jesus was with the Father before creation.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Jesus4me

Re: Tribulation.
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2016, 04:36:33 PM »
According your interpretation of them. Real doesn't have to mean physical, does it? What if the "real" is only where God as a Spirit is and what we have here is imaginary. At the end of our course, if there is nothing good left of us, then would we not cease to exist?


Of cause heaven isn't a physical place, It's a Spiritual place, And mankind is a Spirit, We are Spirit being  who has a soul and live in a body, when a Christian dies, it's only the body that dies, the Spirit/soul goes to heaven.  2 Cor 5: 1--8. Philippians 1: 23.. Rev 6: 9. Rev 7: 9--15.
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Offline Amadeus

Re: Tribulation.
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2016, 09:13:41 PM »
Why assume the new heaven and the new earth will be even similar to what your understanding now is of what heaven is currently and what earth is currently.  He will make ALL things new.

Indeed! Even if we do have the right "vision" of it, are we able to express it in human words to someone else whose vision at the moment is not precisely the same as ours?

Offline Amadeus

Re: Tribulation.
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2016, 09:15:35 PM »
The tabernacle made by moses was a copy of what the real one in heaven was like, So if this world is only a copy then the new one will be like it but only better.

Amen! Consider also that the Ark built by Noah and the tabernacle in the wilderness built under the direction of Moses have many similarities, yet they are so very different. Both, I believe, are but types of shadows of the real thing.

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