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Offline davetaff

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Re: Spirit of God
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2015, 01:56:14 PM »
Hi
As I see it there is a difference between the OT and NT in the OT people were chosen by God from Abraham right the way through to saint Paul.
After pentecost  anyone and everyone could choose to be filled with the holy spirit through being born again into into the body of Christ.

 1Co 15:8  And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

As we see here Paul was chosen after penticost an exception to the rule.

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Re: Spirit of God
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2015, 08:10:18 AM »
Hi
As I see it there is a difference between the OT and NT in the OT people were chosen by God from Abraham right the way through to saint Paul.
After pentecost  anyone and everyone could choose to be filled with the holy spirit through being born again into into the body of Christ.

 1Co 15:8  And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

As we see here Paul was chosen after penticost an exception to the rule.

Love and Peace
Dave

I can see what you are getting at Davetaff, however it sprang to my mind the story in the NT about the guy that was in awe of what the apostles were doing, due to the power of the Holy Spirit and he wanted it. I think he offered money to receive such and obviously got rebuked, so this does get me questioning that maybe not everyone can choose to be filled with the Holy Spirit. I know you said 'through being born again into the body of Christ', I just thought I'd mention this particular case as it is interesting.

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Re: Spirit of God
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2016, 06:43:02 PM »
I can see what you are getting at Davetaff, however it sprang to my mind the story in the NT about the guy that was in awe of what the apostles were doing, due to the power of the Holy Spirit and he wanted it. I think he offered money to receive such and obviously got rebuked, so this does get me questioning that maybe not everyone can choose to be filled with the Holy Spirit. I know you said 'through being born again into the body of Christ', I just thought I'd mention this particular case as it is interesting.

Hi Seeker
Sorry It's taken so long to answer put it down to my bad memory.
I believe It's still true that anyone can choose to receive the holy spirit through baptism and rebirth but what one can't do is purchase it or work for it It's a gift from god.
The man you mention could still be saved if he was willing to humble himself and repent Christ's sacrifice is serfictiant to cover all our sins

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Spirit of God
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2016, 11:52:05 PM »
Jesus made it clear that the Father would pour out the Holy Spirit on those who ask. He made that statement whilst still in the OT period, therefore it had always been true for those who ask in faith, and the prophets of old prove that fact. Look at Elisha demanding a double portion!

The Holy Spirit, being, as I believe, the third person of the triune godhead, He has always has been, is, and always will be the same, just as Jesus is the same yesterday, today and for ever (Heb 13:8 ). In my understanding, that includes how the Spirit works. There are numerous instances in the Old Testament in which the Spirit dwells within a person, in the same way in which he dwells in a person after the day of Pentecost; and not just the "big" names such as David, etc. One example is Bezaleel, the craftsman, who, with Aholiab, was chosen to manufacture the furniture for the tabernacle. Speaking of Bezaleel, Exodus 31:3 says

 "And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship".

There are many other OT examples of the Spirit being "in" someone as opposed to being "upon" someone. But that's one of my favourites.  :)

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Re: Spirit of God
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2016, 01:42:52 AM »
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There are many other OT examples of the Spirit being "in" someone as opposed to being "upon" someone


Can you give examples ? @BobbyDazzler





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Re: Spirit of God
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2016, 01:08:41 PM »
God told Moses that Joshua was "a man in whom is the spirit" (Numbers 27:18 KJV). Notice the definite article

"The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue".   2Sa 23:2

"Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?" Isa 63:11

"And the spirit entered into me when he spake unto me, and set me upon my feet, that I heard him that spake unto me". Eze 2:2

"Then the spirit entered into me, and set me upon my feet, and spake with me, and said unto me, Go, shut thyself within thine house". Eze 3:24

All the prophets who testified against Israel before the exile had the Spirit within them (Nehemiah 9:30)

In light of the quote from Nehemiah, are every prophetic utterance was due to the Holy Spirit being "within them".

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Re: Spirit of God
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2016, 03:52:12 PM »
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God told Moses that Joshua was "a man in whom is the spirit" (Numbers 27:18 KJV). Notice the definite article

"The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue".   2Sa 23:2

"Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?" Isa 63:11

"And the spirit entered into me when he spake unto me, and set me upon my feet, that I heard him that spake unto me". Eze 2:2

"Then the spirit entered into me, and set me upon my feet, and spake with me, and said unto me, Go, shut thyself within thine house". Eze 3:24

All the prophets who testified against Israel before the exile had the Spirit within them (Nehemiah 9:30)

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In light of the quote from Nehemiah, are every prophetic utterance was due to the Holy Spirit being "within them".

Often people will use John 16:7  But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.

What do you make of this @BobbyDazzler



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Re: Spirit of God
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2016, 07:01:30 PM »





What do you make of this @BobbyDazzler

In what sense @TJ's ? Can you elucidate, please?