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TJ

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Re: Spirit of God
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2016, 12:08:38 AM »
Sorry yes - hi bobby.

Didn,'t make myself clear  :)



Well some believe that the Holy Spirit only came upon people in the OT.

Whereas in the NT, some believe the Holy Spirit resides /stays in people.

Now - lets say " the Holy Spirit was always working within and out"

John 16:7 can be said to be the time when the Holy Spirit came [pentecost] to reside upon and in people - it sometimes used as a defining scripture.

If the Holy Spirit was always coming upon and working within people - then "how would you interpret  John 16:7  ?"

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TJ

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Re: Spirit of God
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2016, 12:28:53 AM »
Or does this simply mean the "Holy Spirit would come upon people in more power"

Or "that the Holy Spirit would be sent to comfort those who mourn"

I mean "the Holy Spirit was already " so why death before the Holy Spirit could be sent ?


TJ

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Re: Spirit of God
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2016, 01:34:59 AM »
@BobbyDazzler

We welcome your input  :great:

Serenity

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Re: Spirit of God
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2016, 10:37:53 PM »



Often people will use John 16:7  But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.

What do you make of this @BobbyDazzler

Well to me...scripture states that Jesus had the spirit of God, the Holy Spirit without measure ... this is important to note....without measure, therefore Jesus had the Holy Spirit in its full state. 

So then, if He at the time of walking the earth had the full measure, then it could not be 'poured out on to mankind'.   You couldn't have Pentecost.

Jesus had to leave, to enable Pentecost to happen.  Which is why it was good for Him to go away.  This also really leads with you doing greater works than Jesus.  Because the work of the Holy Spirit could only happen where Jesus walked.  Whereas after Pentecost, Jesus could literally heal with the Holy Spirit wherever any believer walked.  This is how you got Peters shadow alone bringing healing etc...this is the greater works, because each believer is a temple of the Holy Spirit and not just Jesus being THE temple of the entire Holy Spirit.  Does that make sense? does to me anyway!

Offline francis drake

Re: Spirit of God
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2016, 09:14:00 PM »

Well some believe that the Holy Spirit only came upon people in the OT.

Whereas in the NT, some believe the Holy Spirit resides /stays in people.

Yes TJ. Those who argue that Pentecost was the first infilling of the Holy Spirit always claim that it just came upon people in the OT, rather than within.
They have a list of OT verses that speaks of the HS coming upon people, whereas the NT verses speak of the HS coming into people.

Of course, they ignore the same statement in the OT prophecies related to Jesus.
Isaiah42v1"Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations.
Using their dogma, we would conclude that Jesus wasn't filled with the Holy Spirit, but it was simply over him.

And here is the same description of Jesus in the NT
Matt12v18?Here is my servant whom I have chosen, the one I love, in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will proclaim justice to the nations.
So even the New Testament denies Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit

If these deniers insist the bible says the OT saints could only have the spirit over them, then we must apply the same logic to Jesus.

The truth is that they desperately don't want anyone in the OT to be filled with the Holy Spirit in the OT because it spoils their false teaching and causes a whole load of other rotten church dogmas to be exposed.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Rose Anna

Re: Spirit of God
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2016, 09:48:34 PM »
 Found  Luke1 interesting !

John the Baptist, Zechariah, Elizabeth and Mary filled with Gods Holy Spirit.

Offline francis drake

Re: Spirit of God
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2016, 11:03:12 PM »
Found  Luke1 interesting !

John the Baptist, Zechariah, Elizabeth and Mary filled with Gods Holy Spirit.

Amen. But what is amazing is that John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Ghost before he was born.

 Luke1v15for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born.

I have argued that case several times on the forum, based on what happens when Mary visits Elizabeth, but I had completely missed this verse which says it directly. Doh!

That obviously proves that a foetus is spiritually alive in the womb, but also that it is able to recognise spiritual truth without religious tuition! That's why Jesus said unless we come as a little child, we will never see the Kingdom of heaven.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

TJ

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Re: Spirit of God
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2016, 12:27:19 AM »
But when was this the first group filling ?

As in assembly / congregation ?