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Offline Seeker

What's in a name?
« on: September 10, 2015, 10:58:44 AM »

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I was at a fellowship/study group last night and the person leading the group mentioned praying to the Holy Spirit. Now this caught me off guard, because I have never heard of this really. I have heard of praying 'for' the Holy Spirit, etc, but not 'to' the Holy Spirit.

Now I do understand that God is three in one (well I don't fully understand it, but I get the gist), God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. However I've never considered praying 'to' the Holy Spirit - God and Jesus yes. I can't help but think does it matter? If I pray to God, or Jesus (or even the HS), since they are all one - does it matter which word/name I use? Should I be praying 'to' the Holy Spirit - is there Biblical reference to such?



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Offline Last Days

Re: What's in a name?
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2015, 02:57:08 PM »
I was at a fellowship/study group last night and the person leading the group mentioned praying to the Holy Spirit. Now this caught me off guard, because I have never heard of this really. I have heard of praying 'for' the Holy Spirit, etc, but not 'to' the Holy Spirit.

Now I do understand that God is three in one (well I don't fully understand it, but I get the gist), God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. However I've never considered praying 'to' the Holy Spirit - God and Jesus yes. I can't help but think does it matter? If I pray to God, or Jesus (or even the HS), since they are all one - does it matter which word/name I use? Should I be praying 'to' the Holy Spirit - is there Biblical reference to such?

To answer the question "Should we pray to the Holy Spirit?", we must first examine who the Holy Spirit is, because scripture tells us...

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
[24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Many have used the term "God the Father", which is in the Bible. However, the terms "God the Son" and "God the Holy Ghost" are NOT in the Bible. In fact a word search renders results...

God the Father = 12 hits
God the Son = 0 hits
God the Holy Ghost (Spirit) = 0 hits


It is interesting that when Jesus refers to his father, he refers to Jehovah almighty, but in scripture, it is the Holy Ghost that overshadowed Mary. Since Jesus knows exactly who his father is, we must realize that "Father" and "Holy Ghost" are one in the same person. That eternal spirit that dwelt between the cherubims in the tabernacle made of badger skins in the Old Testament is the same spirit that overshadowed Mary.

Now, God, being spirit which overshadowed Mary, is omnipresent. And, being omnipresent, he inhabited that seed in Mary and remained in heaven. Mary gives birth and we have spirit become flesh.


That bouncing baby boy, was the Son of God according to the flesh, according to the bloodline of David...

Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;



But he was also God manifest in the flesh according to the spirit...

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.



And, that's why Jesus can say...

1. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. (John 8:24-27)

2. Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. (John 8:58)



Lets not forget the following:

Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.



Centuries BEFORE Christ, Isaiah prophesied in Isaiah 7:14, "therefore the LORD HIMSELF shall give you a sign: Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."

We learn in Matthew 1:23 that Emmanuel means "God with us".


Isaiah 9:6 foretold, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his NAME shall be called Wonderful, counsellor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

Notice that the child's name is called The Everlasting Father and The Prince of Peace. Keep that in mind for a moment because throughout the Old Testament God is also called the Lord.

Deuteronomy 6:4 clearly tells us "Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God is one LORD:"

Therefore, compare the following references:

The Lord God is the Creator. Isaiah 42:5.
The Lord Jesus is the Creator. John 1:3, 10.

The Lord God said, "I am He." Isaiah 43:10.
The Lord Jesus said, "I am He." John 8:24.

The Lord God is the only Saviour. Isaiah 43:10, 11.
The Lord Jesus is the Saviour. Titus 1:4.

The Lord God shall reign forever. Psalms. 146:10.
The Lord Jesus reign forever. Luke 1 :33.

The Lord God is the King of Israel. Isaiah 43:15.
The Lord Jesus is the King of Israel. Matt. 27:37.

The Lord God is the First and the Last. Isaiah 44:6.
The Lord Jesus is the First and the Last. Revelation 1:8.

The Lord God is Almighty. Genesis 17:1.
The Lord Jesus is Almighty. Revelation 1:8.

Beyond a shadow of a doubt Father and Holy Spirit are the same person, and the Lord God Jehovah of the Old Testament is the Lord Jesus Christ of the New Testament!


The answer to the OP question is, when you pray to God, pray to HIM with this understanding...

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:


God bless!

Offline John

Re: What's in a name?
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2015, 10:59:57 PM »
What is the function of the spirit? Is it not to point to or to bring glory to Jesus and to God the Father.
We are never told in the bible to pray to anyone other than to God the Father.
Next time your in that fellowship group ask the leader to prove from the bible that we should pray to the spirit.

Offline Seeker

Re: What's in a name?
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2015, 09:15:50 AM »
What is the function of the spirit? Is it not to point to or to bring glory to Jesus and to God the Father.
We are never told in the bible to pray to anyone other than to God the Father.
Next time your in that fellowship group ask the leader to prove from the bible that we should pray to the spirit.

Oh I already did question it and asked for Biblical back up - it would be very unusual for me not to question things :D. I think I caught him off guard too though and he said he'd cover such later I think. He's planning on doing a course on praying next within the group.

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