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Offline wimborne

Re: The hypocrisy and religion of unbelief
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2017, 09:02:20 PM »

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Some really interesting stuff here. Re Is atheism a religion? I think there is a religious atheism and a non religions, sometimes generous atheism that can respect a belief it doesn't share and just says "You believe, I don't. Takes all sorts. Now let's go for a pint."
 Religious atheism (aka militant atheism) by contrast insists with missionary zeal that there is no god.
In "The God Delusion", Dawkins describes atheism as "the absence of belief" before going on to demonstrate an unshakable belief in absence.
Towards the end of the book, he states that if he saw a statue wave he would conclude that all the atoms in one arm had simultaneously
jumped and jumped back again rather than put it down to a miracle. Clearly then for atheism's arch evangelist the ridiculous may be considered
but not the miraculous. Its been a while since I read it but I found the book to be an intellectual house of cards (whatever your belief or lack of)
- a catalogue on non-arguments.

I wrote an on line review and got various replies as you can imagine but two stuck in my mind: one from a fellow Christian thanking me for exposing the holes in Dawkins' logic and another that simply said "Logic's got nothing to do with it, religion is all nonsense". I wonder if the latter contributor will ever realise how brilliantly he summed up a book of over 400 pages in just one sentence.
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Offline Rose Anna

Re: The hypocrisy and religion of unbelief
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2017, 10:23:42 PM »
Quite a few years ago I remember observing many atheists, thinking well actually they don't attack generally. Yet could do in the future.
Now as you said there are a variety of different atheists.
Many are respectful and saying along the lines thats not for me.
Others are attacking especially online. Its amazing that they spend so much time attacking God in what they say. Yet claim not to believe in His existance.

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Re: The hypocrisy and religion of unbelief
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2017, 11:57:34 PM »
'I know thy works,
that thou art neither cold nor hot:
I would thou wert cold or hot.
So then because thou art lukewarm,
and neither cold nor hot,
I will spue thee out of My mouth.
Because thou sayest,
"I am rich,
.. and increased with goods,
.... and have need of nothing;
...... and knowest not that thou art wretched,
....... and miserable,
........ and poor,
.......... and blind,
............ and naked: ... ... '

(Rev 3:15-17) 

Hello @Rose Anna,

The verses above come to my mind: and I think also of Saul of Tarsus; who was a zealot, hotly persecuting believers in his ignorance.  He was 'hot' and not 'cold', and ignorantly believed that he was serving God by doing what he did. 

* Saul needed God's intervention in his life, he needed that light from heaven to shine upon him, he needed to see the risen Christ and hear His Words, to believe and be converted..

* Whether atheists hot in their unbelief: or like Saul, hot in mistaken fervour: all need God's intervention, don't they? Yet, those who are lukewarm, whether in unbelief, or believing, are the ones who are in the most sad position, I believe.

* Our warfare is not with flesh and blood though is it? and it is by well doing that we will silence the ignorance of foolish men: who attack what they do not know (1 Pet.2:15-17).  We are to honour all men, for it is only God who can bring light and understanding, by the entrance of His Word (Psa.119:130).

* I praise God for His mercy and His grace, for there but for the grace of God go I.

In Christ Jesus
Cariad


Offline Rose Anna

Re: The hypocrisy and religion of unbelief
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2017, 11:34:23 AM »
Hello @Cariad Thank you for your posts.

It is important to live by grace through the Holy Spirit and as we agree on this.

For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Romans 8:5-8

As the prince of the power of the air works through the sons of disobedience.Ephesians 2:2

These dark powers can work through christians as well, who live by the flesh and by those who do not wear the full armour of God.
They access through ungodly living, the occult as the by product of living in the flesh.
They find weaknesses and can access in. Yet are overcome through prayer to trample down scorpions and snakes. Luke 10:19
Using the weapons in the Word of God and resisting the devil.
Sadly they can find access through trauma and distress as well.
Yet can be defeated through prayer.
Others prayer as well.
 Enabling God to take captive of the thoughts, renewing the mind leading to living by the Holy Spirit.

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,  gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. Galatians 5:19-23

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Re: The hypocrisy and religion of unbelief
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2017, 05:26:00 PM »
'And we have seen
and do testify
that the Father sent the Son
to be the Saviour of the world.
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God,
God dwelleth in him, and he in God
.

(1Jn 4:14,15)


* John had seen the Lord, heard Him speak, had seen the miracles He performed; had handled him as one human being does another: He also saw the Lord following His resurrection, when He sat and ate with His disciples, and taught them for forty days, in His resurrection body; prior to His ascension to God's right hand. He would have touched Him then as He had before, and known experientially that He was indeed no mere, 'spirit', but 'flesh and bones,' as He had said. (Luke 24:39) 

* Who more qualified was there therefore, to testify concerning the Lord Jesus Christ, that 'He is the Son of God', and that 'God dwelleth in Him'!


Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Cariad




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