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Your view of the unsaved, in eternity. You can click on up to three options that resembles your view.

They will suffer in a literal fire .Tortured for all eternity with no turning back.
5 (16.1%)
They will suffer eternally but it won't be a literal fire.
3 (9.7%)
The saved live for eternal life but the unsaved  will perish and cease to exist.
7 (22.6%)
Most people will be saved except for the devil, his angels and a few like them.
2 (6.5%)
Everyone will be saved.
1 (3.2%)
Not sure.
3 (9.7%)
Another view.
1 (3.2%)
The devil and his angels will perish into non existance
2 (6.5%)
The devil and his angels will be tormented for all eternity.
7 (22.6%)

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Author Topic: Why I don't believe suffering is for all eternity. [eternity]  (Read 1289 times)

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Offline John

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Re: Why I don't believe suffering is for all eternity. [eternity]
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2017, 07:48:58 AM »
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Dave,
          You have a very high view of humanity and a low view of God.
I know in myself that even though brought up in a church where the gospel was clearly proclaimed and as a young teen knew the message I was not saved, I wanted to be saved, but could not find salvation.
God had to act to save me.

I wanted to be saved, I'd hear the surmon on Sunday, know that I was not saved, would pray and resolve to serve God and by Monday evening knew I'd done nothing, that I was a sinner convicted of sin.

We may not like it but God is soveriegn it is he who saves our job is not to convert but to be obedient, living for him, telling others of him.

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Re: Why I don't believe suffering is for all eternity. [eternity]
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2017, 04:16:57 PM »
Hi John
you said.
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We may not like it but God is soveriegn it is he who saves our job is not to convert but to be obedient, living for him, telling others of him.
 
I agree God is sovereign and it is God who saves through Christ's sacrifice but if God decides who will be saved what is the point of of telling others if God has already decided makes no sense.
You say you wanted to be saved but wasn't  could it be your heart was not right with God God looks at the heart not the mind it's all about love you mention obedience what God want's is to   love him and to love our neighbour and your enemies thus fulfilling  God's law.

I agree with you that God chooses certain people as the scriptures prove He chose  St Paul

Gal 1:15  But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

But that doesn't mean he chooses every one  our Lord said 

 Mat 22:14  For many are called, but few are chosen.

We see here  only a few are chosen this includes the OT saints and the 12 apostles for example through these the many are called great crowds followed Christ he did not choose them they chose to follow him and there was those who turned back so it's plain to see that they had a free will choice the same as us.

But those who are chosen will do Gods will we only have to look at Jonah he tried to run away but God brought him back.

God want's us to love him it is not possible for God to make us do that it has to be a free will choice from our heart.

Love and Peace
Dave 


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