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Offline Amadeus

Re: When are we accountable to God ?
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2015, 05:51:35 PM »
Perhaps judgment is now.

TJ

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Re: When are we accountable to God ?
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2015, 02:02:03 AM »
Well @Amadeus I believe Judgement was before time, but becomes evident now as we become aware of it in the present and will be evident as we see it face to face

John 4:34 "My food," said Jesus, "is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.

John 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Genesis 2:2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.

Hebrews 4:10 for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his.


The Judgement of God  at the end of our lifes is only the finality of our own choices - however if we have entered that rest we may be accountable to God as Jesus Himself is accountable to God

what do you think about that statement ?


Offline clark thompson

Re: When are we accountable to God ?
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2015, 12:09:20 PM »
We are always accountable for what we do, those that have Jesus, our account has been settled, but for those who have not they will answer after judgment.
One day I will be home

Offline Amadeus

Re: When are we accountable to God ?
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2015, 01:42:53 AM »
Well @Amadeus I believe Judgement was before time, but becomes evident now as we become aware of it in the present and will be evident as we see it face to face

John 4:34 "My food," said Jesus, "is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.

John 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Genesis 2:2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.

Hebrews 4:10 for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his.


The Judgement of God  at the end of our lifes is only the finality of our own choices - however if we have entered that rest we may be accountable to God as Jesus Himself is accountable to God

what do you think about that statement ?

The end of our lives is when? Has anyone who has never received Jesus ever received Life? Without Jesus is not everyone dead? Did not Jesus say, "let the dead bury the dead"? [from Matt 8:22]

So when is judgment for those who never had Life or those who had it but cast it away? But on the other hand, do not those who believe in Jesus as he said and endure to the end "never die" [from John 11:26]?

TJ

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Re: When are we accountable to God ?
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2015, 02:37:19 AM »
The end of our lives is when? Has anyone who has never received Jesus ever received Life? Without Jesus is not everyone dead? Did not Jesus say, "let the dead bury the dead"? [from Matt 8:22]

So when is judgment for those who never had Life or those who had it but cast it away? But on the other hand, do not those who believe in Jesus as he said and endure to the end "never die" [from John 11:26]?


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So when is judgment for those who never had Life or those who had it but cast it away? But on the other hand, do not those who believe in Jesus as he said and endure to the end "never die" [from John 11:26]?

The great white Throne Judgement for those who never had life in Revelation 20:11-15 cannot separate unbelievers
from God because they never a "relationship" with God and so it must still be seen as a Judgement which began before
time itself Matthew 13:30;

Nonetheless the believer who builds and works within God's rest will have a giving or taking away [Judgement]

1 Corinthians 3:12-15   12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay,
 straw? 13 each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and
 the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation
survives, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be
saved, but only as through fire.


As for never dying as in John 11:26 ? it relates to those who believe and live in Jesus and although they shall never die in Christ,
yet they die as death is seen by others. [flesh]

All of this is a result of sin and the judgement that results - whether unbeliever or believer - we have been Judged and
are being Judged and will be Judged.

Not just a result of Adam and Eve's Sin [note]  but individual sin whether original sin or a believers sin [body]

We all die as a result of sin whether believer or unbeliever

We all will see God



Whether we die after death is for God to decide  - see : http://www.1faith.co.uk/safeplace-for-newbie-and-wannabie-christians/%28faith-q%29once-saved-always-saved/msg45199/?topicseen#msg45199

The other question = "Does God cloth us all ?"  as in Genesis 3:21[having a relationship with God or not]or was this covering only for Adam and Eve and not for all mankind ? as in generational curses and generational blessings  ..............................

If He did and does then there would be not great white throne Judgement and no beama seat and no separation between the two and no great chasm  Luke 16:26; And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'

No separation between the wheat and the weeds Matthew 13:30; Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.'"





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Offline Rose Anna

Re: When are we accountable to God ?
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2015, 09:27:06 AM »
Theres so much accountability these days. Only it's like man has taken it in his own hands because the accountabilility to God is getting forgotten .

Man made accountability  is imbalanced and cannot be fair. Its only fair  when its from God. In His completeness and from He who is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient,  knowing the heart and all complications and intentions

TJ

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Re: When are we accountable to God ?
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2015, 01:52:38 PM »
So the Judgement "already having been made" is simply the finality of something already known and God speaks to people for the last time ....

Those who are already saved [born again] God contiinues to speak to them and they continue to respond .

 Not seeing things taken away  as The Bride merely see's those things given rather than what is taken away [if she see's things being taken large amounts of her past life would dissappear - but this would be nothing compared to the riches in Christ and eternal home

Theres so much accountability these days. Only it's like man has taken it in his own hands because the accountabilility to God is getting forgotten .

Man made accountability  is imbalanced and cannot be fair. Its only fair  when its from God. In His completeness and from He who is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient,  knowing the heart and all complications and intentions


So true

It wasn't long ago - when hanging people was seen as a "correct punishment for sin" but were "the guilty"  accountable to society or to God !

People no longer face death as a punishment - but does that make those giving the punishment accountable to society for the life's lost or accountable to God!