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Offline francis drake

What on earth is the gospel?
« on: March 12, 2015, 08:45:41 PM »
I wonder what the real gospel is, and what is its purpose.

I ask this because there seems to be an astonishing disparity between what Jesus and the apostles preached and did, and what the church and its evangelists preach and do.


Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline clark thompson

Re: What on earth is the gospel?
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2015, 10:50:25 PM »
The core of the gospel is that God made a way for us to be saved and that was our Lord Jesus dying on the cross and then defeated death and by Him we can do the same.
One day I will be home

Offline francis drake

Re: What on earth is the gospel?
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2015, 09:49:08 AM »
The core of the gospel is that God made a way for us to be saved and that was our Lord Jesus dying on the cross and then defeated death and by Him we can do the same.

But this is not what John the Baptist, Jesus, or the disciples preached is it?
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline John

Re: What on earth is the gospel?
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2015, 10:55:49 AM »
Both John the baptist and Jesus preached about the coming or nearness of the kingdom of God. They taught about the need for rightousness and humility before God. After the resurrection the disciples taught the gospel message that we proclaim today.
There is no need to teach the exact message that Jesus taught as he was teaching prior to his death and resurrection.
The gospel, the good news is that sinnful man does not have to fear God's rightous judgement but can accept the free gift of salvation through repentance and acknowledgement of Jesus as Lord and saviour.
The purpose is to bring us into a right relationship with God.

Offline francis drake

Re: What on earth is the gospel?
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2015, 02:39:48 PM »
Both John the baptist and Jesus preached about the coming or nearness of the kingdom of God. They taught about the need for rightousness and humility before God. After the resurrection the disciples taught the gospel message that we proclaim today.
There is no need to teach the exact message that Jesus taught as he was teaching prior to his death and resurrection.
The gospel, the good news is that sinnful man does not have to fear God's rightous judgement but can accept the free gift of salvation through repentance and acknowledgement of Jesus as Lord and saviour.
The purpose is to bring us into a right relationship with God.

Jesus and the disciples all proclaimed that the kingdom of God was nigh to them, ie. here and now amongst them. This is contrary to what the church largely preaches, that the kingdom of God comes when you are dead!
They not only preached it, they demonstrated the reality of that kingdom by healing the sick, raising the dead, and casting out demons.

In comparison, today's gospel is toothless and powerless, nothing more than talk.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline John

Re: What on earth is the gospel?
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2015, 11:16:18 PM »
Jesus is the  way into the Kingdom of God. Yes that kingdom is something we are part of now but as you point out we don't experience it in the same way that the disciples did. So most people are looking to fully experience the kingdom in the next life, this can limit there enjoyment of the kingdom now, but can also be a brutal reality when so many of us experience failure in the Christian life in this life.

Is todays gospel powerless. No it is not. I sugest that you get involved with ordinary people in churches. You'll discover people who have come to a saving faith in Jesus through the preaching of the gospel. People who have real problems yet are facing these problems by the strenght that the spirit gives them each moment. People who have come to Jesus from all walks of life, from every part of society and they have been changed. This is not a powerless, toothless gospel and is far more than talk. There may not be people being healed from sickness or raised from the dead but the testimonies of ordinary people who seek to live for Jesus in a world that rejecks him is not all talk.

Offline francis drake

Re: What on earth is the gospel?
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2015, 07:14:53 PM »
Jesus is the  way into the Kingdom of God. Yes that kingdom is something we are part of now but as you point out we don't experience it in the same way that the disciples did. So most people are looking to fully experience the kingdom in the next life, this can limit there enjoyment of the kingdom now, but can also be a brutal reality when so many of us experience failure in the Christian life in this life.

Is todays gospel powerless. No it is not. I sugest that you get involved with ordinary people in churches. You'll discover people who have come to a saving faith in Jesus through the preaching of the gospel. People who have real problems yet are facing these problems by the strenght that the spirit gives them each moment. People who have come to Jesus from all walks of life, from every part of society and they have been changed. This is not a powerless, toothless gospel and is far more than talk. There may not be people being healed from sickness or raised from the dead but the testimonies of ordinary people who seek to live for Jesus in a world that rejecks him is not all talk.

Thanks but no thanks John. I departed about 8 years ago and have no intention of going back to the church system. I prefer to get involved with ordinary people outside the church system because their ears are still open to spiritual truth, rather than the predigested prepackaged stuff.

I most likely have been right through and out the other side of where you are, and it doesn't suit me at all. Jesus said, "greater than this shall you do", so until we see the church doing what the disciples did, as far as I am concerned it is a powerless gospel.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)