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Offline Jesus4me

Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #80 on: October 31, 2015, 05:19:59 PM »

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Thanks for your reply but I have great difficultly flying in the face of a great many scholars who say your Translation of hell hades and sheol is wrong as I understand it Hades and sheol mean the same thing the grave the place of the dead Hell as it is generally understood is not found in scripture.
Don't you think it strange that St Paul in all his writings does not mention hell or hades and his writings are said to be the earliest of the NT books one would think if the doctoring of hell was so vitally important he would have mentioned it.

Another strange thing I found is this
New American Bible Revised Edition (NABRE) Roman Catholic.  In this Bible the word hell dose not appear anywhere  which I thing is strange because It was RC church which more than any other promoted the doctoring of purgatory and hell and in there first bible the Vulgate the word hell appeared 111 times now in the latest translation there are down to 0 I feel Gods trying to tell us something don't you.

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Dave, You don't have to take my word for it, All you have to do is check up the Hebrew and Greek Bible texts.
You have to know that some scholars don't believe in hell, So they would come against it.
And the same with some Bible translators. So you have to go by the original Hebrew and Greek.

Where do theses so-called scholars say where Jesus went to in Acts 2: 27, & v31?. If you don't know, Try and find out.
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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #81 on: November 01, 2015, 02:28:57 PM »
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Dave, You don't have to take my word for it, All you have to do is check up the Hebrew and Greek Bible texts.
You have to know that some scholars don't believe in hell, So they would come against it.
And the same with some Bible translators. So you have to go by the original Hebrew and Greek.

Where do theses so-called scholars say where Jesus went to in Acts 2: 27, & v31?. If you don't know, Try and find out.
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I think Iv'e spent enough time looking at what Hebrew and Greek words mean and it's been a great help in supporting my belief that there in no such place as hell of course you are right in saying that that scholars are biased that support my view on the  other hand scholars that support you view are also biased but when we put these views in the balance of common sense for me the weight of evidence comes down on the side of there is no such place as hell and eternal punishment The God of Love would never create such a place and according to scripture he never has if he has show me where.

The only place in scripture that comes anywhere near hell is the lake of fire and I don't believe this is a literal fire I believe It's a purifying fire It will not be a pleasant experience there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth but I'm sure the end result will be worth it and it will not last for ever.

A little advice if I may when you read the scriptures always keep in mind God is Love and could he possibly do these thing that come into you mind I know these doctoring s about hell have been preached for two thousand years I was brought up on them and used to believe them but not any more.

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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #82 on: November 01, 2015, 02:34:59 PM »
Not really into end times, what word means hell vs grave vs whatever....but will say..



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The only place in scripture that comes anywhere near hell is the lake of fire and I don't believe this is a literal fire I believe It's a purifying fire It will not be a pleasant experience there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth but I'm sure the end result will be worth it and it will not last for ever.

This had me thinking of refiners fire...purify my heart, make me be of gold and precious silver.  I'm sure people have come across that over the years.

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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #83 on: November 01, 2015, 05:25:08 PM »
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I think Iv'e spent enough time looking at what Hebrew and Greek words mean and it's been a great help in supporting my belief that there in no such place as hell of course you are right in saying that that scholars are biased that support my view on the  other hand scholars that support you view are also biased but when we put these views in the balance of common sense for me the weight of evidence comes down on the side of there is no such place as hell and eternal punishment The God of Love would never create such a place and according to scripture he never has if he has show me where.

The only place in scripture that comes anywhere near hell is the lake of fire and I don't believe this is a literal fire I believe It's a purifying fire It will not be a pleasant experience there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth but I'm sure the end result will be worth it and it will not last for ever.

A little advice if I may when you read the scriptures always keep in mind God is Love and could he possibly do these thing that come into you mind I know these doctoring s about hell have been preached for two thousand years I was brought up on them and used to believe them but not any more.

Love and Peace
Dave     

   


The Hebrew and Greek don't support your beliefs, The Bible at face value, doesn't support your beliefs, Never mind the Hebrew and Greek.

If you don't believe in hell, then where do you draw the line as to what to believe and what not to believe??, You either accept the whole Bible, or you don't accept any of it, you can't pick and chose what you want to believe. because  talks about hell, He knows all about hell, because He went there.

As for God's love, He loves people so much that He will give them what they have chosen, either heaven or hell, God, with great sadness  will have to let those who don't believe, go to hell.
And with great joy  He will receive the believers into heaven.

If the lake of fire was a purifying place, That means you believe the devil, the beast and the false prophet will be purified. Rev 20: 10.
Your not believing hell, doesn't take away the fact that it's very real place.
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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #84 on: November 01, 2015, 05:27:33 PM »
Not really into end times, what word means hell vs grave vs whatever....but will say..



This had me thinking of refiners fire...purify my heart, make me be of gold and precious silver.  I'm sure people have come across that over the years.



If the lake of fire was a purifying place, That means you believe the devil, the beast and the false prophet will be purified. Rev 20: 10
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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #85 on: November 01, 2015, 05:34:15 PM »


If the lake of fire was a purifying place, That means you believe the devil, the beast and the false prophet will be purified. Rev 20: 10

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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #86 on: November 01, 2015, 05:34:36 PM »
I wasn't saying that was what the place hell does, I was simply saying what davetaff said had me thinking of that.

What is the purpose and what is the refiners fire? purifying your heart, making it as gold and silver? ... not saying the place this happens is hell, sorry should have clarified.  Just him using the word refine had me think of this further question, maybe should open a different thread about it, in fact I will please don't respond to my posts re this here :D

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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #87 on: November 02, 2015, 08:44:08 AM »
I wasn't saying that was what the place hell does, I was simply saying what davetaff said had me thinking of that.

What is the purpose and what is the refiners fire? purifying your heart, making it as gold and silver? ... not saying the place this happens is hell, sorry should have clarified.  Just him using the word refine had me think of this further question, maybe should open a different thread about it, in fact I will please don't respond to my posts re this here :D



Sorry, My mistake, I misread you.
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