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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #40 on: October 17, 2015, 02:00:30 PM »

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How was Jesus raised up from hell if He was spiritually dead?

How did God do this?

So Jesus death, pain, anguish, torment, stripes didn't end when He took His last breath on the cross, it carried on until He came back up from hell? or had He already taken on Himself the sin of those already in hell whilst on the cross and His sole purpose in hell then was to make sure no one was without His message? those that had gone before him?

Hope you don't mind me asking these questions.



Hi Rachael, I don't mind you asking questions.
Mankind is a Spirit, [Greek], "Pneuma", who has a soul, "Pshuche" and lives in a body, "Soma". 1 Thess 5: 23.
The body of Jesus was in the tomb, "Mnemeion", also the Greek word for the grave. and His Spirit/soul was in hell, "Hades", Three different parts of man, Two different places.
Spiritual death isn't cessation from life, It means separation from God, [When we were spiritually dead and were separated from God, we were alive in body and soul, only our spirits were dead to God and the things of God]. And that's how it was with Jesus apart from His body being dead.
Jesus knew what was happening around Him when He was in hell, See Lk 16: 23--26.

Then when God was satisfied, He quickened Jesus, [Made Him Spiritually alive to God again].

Only John records the last words of Jesus, as, "It is finished", Matt and Mk record the last words of Jesus as, "Why has thou forsaken me", and Luke records the last words of Jesus as, "Into thy hands I commend My Spirit", [Entrust that God would raise Him up Spiritually".
So which one was right?.
We know from the Bible that the cross didn't complete salvation, [1]Because He had to go to hell for us, [2]He had to be raised from the dead, 1 Cor 15: 14--18. [V17].
Jesus was also raised for our justification, [To make us the righteousness of God], Rom 4: 25. 
The cross was a major part of salvation, but so was going to hell and the resurrection.

Those in hell  were wicked people according to Isaiah 53: 9, It says Jesus made His grave with "wicked" [in hell],
and with the "Rich", Joseph of Arimathea's tomb, Matt 27: 57--60. Back to Isaiah 53: 10, "In His [Jesus] Death, The Hebrew has "Deaths" Two deaths, His Spiritual and physical deaths.
The only two places in the underworld the Bible say Jesus preached in, were, The spirits in prison, The fallen angels in "Tartarus", 1 Pet 3: 19, with Jude: 6. The Greek meaning for, "Preached" in 1 Pet 3: 19, is, "To proclaim His victory".
The other place in the underworld where Jesus preached was to the departed righteous in Abraham's bosom, 1 Pet 4: 6, The Greek has a different meant for "Preached", This time it means, "To preach the gospel".
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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #41 on: October 20, 2015, 06:23:46 PM »
Yeah that's an important factor, Jesus' work didn't finish at the cross.  I see many people staying at the cross, as bad as it was it wasn't His work in its entirety. 

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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #42 on: October 20, 2015, 09:14:37 PM »
Yeah that's an important factor, Jesus' work didn't finish at the cross.  I see many people staying at the cross, as bad as it was it wasn't His work in its entirety.



Thank God for the cross, and thank God for the resurrection, ascension and the sending of the Holy Spirit to us.
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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #43 on: October 20, 2015, 11:16:35 PM »
Jesus came from a place of always Life to a place of always death or hell when he descended:

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." John 3:13

Jesus came down I believe from 3rd Heaven where he was with the Father, where no death is and where no sin is, to this place of death where all of us when born to our natural mothers were born dead. This was the hell where Jesus went, not after hanging on the cross, but when he descended from the Father to place of men, men who were dead.

Here Jesus at the age of 30 years began to preach to the dead. Among those dead who were quickened (brought to Life) by the Holy Spirit were those of the original 12 less one. Yes, Jesus went to hell. We've also been there, but we were born there, but...

"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10"10

Jesus brought Life for all of those who really chose to live. The rest would remain always dead:

"But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." Matt 8:22

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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #44 on: October 21, 2015, 12:30:55 AM »
mmm interseting that Christ went to hell on our behalf or "so we did not have too!

When we were not destined for hell  ?

Kind of kicks predestination into death

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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2015, 07:25:53 AM »
Jesus came from a place of always Life to a place of always death or hell when he descended:

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." John 3:13

Jesus came down I believe from 3rd Heaven where he was with the Father, where no death is and where no sin is, to this place of death where all of us when born to our natural mothers were born dead. This was the hell where Jesus went, not after hanging on the cross, but when he descended from the Father to place of men, men who were dead.

Here Jesus at the age of 30 years began to preach to the dead. Among those dead who were quickened (brought to Life) by the Holy Spirit were those of the original 12 less one. Yes, Jesus went to hell. We've also been there, but we were born there, but...

"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10"10

Jesus brought Life for all of those who really chose to live. The rest would remain always dead:

"But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." Matt 8:22


Rom 10: 7, says Jesus descended into the deep, (The place of the dead). And Eph 4:  9  says Jesus desended into the  lower parts of the earth. The Greek meaning  is, the underworld,  the place of the departed spirits
And Acts 2: 27,  tells us that place was hell, Greek  (Hades). The same Greek word for hell I  Lk 16: 23--25.
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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2015, 07:29:27 AM »
mmm interseting that Christ went to hell on our behalf or "so we did not have too!

When we were not destined for hell  ?

Kind of kicks predestination into death



Everyone  is destined for  hell, that's  why Jesus  came to die,  go to  hell and rise again for us. So we could  be born again and not go to hell.
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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #47 on: October 21, 2015, 01:44:10 PM »
Hi
Did Jesus go to hell depends  how we translate hell if we mean the grave then yes he did if we mean the Greek roman fairy story of hell and Hades of spirits  and torment then no he did not there is no such place.
When we die we all go to the same place the grave where we sleep awaiting the resurrection the first resurrection all those who are the body of Christ the second resurrection all those who will be judged and what that entails.

God is the God of Love all he want's is that we Love him would he try to achieve this through terror and torment and threats I don't think so I doubt anyone would Love a God like that on the contrary it would turn people away from him that's why I think the doctoring of hell and torment was implanted in the minds of men by  the god of this world satan to turn people away from God and its working very well.

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