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TJ

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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2015, 02:07:01 PM »

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But then we read Acts 2:31 NIV Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay.


Other  translations say : Hades/ hell/sheol/

Could it be that we simply interpret the word "hell" differently  in todays society ?


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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2015, 02:00:37 AM »
Sheol/hades is the place of the dead 

Psalm 16:10?11 Therefore my heart is glad and my glory rejoices; My flesh also will dwell securely. 10For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol; Nor will You allow Your Holy One to undergo decay.

Sheol is the  hebrew for the place of the dead  [THE OLD TESTAMENT is written in hebrew]   and the greek is hades [THE NEW TESTAMENT IS WRITTEN IN GREEK] terminologies such as "paradise" or "abrahams bosom" are heaven [New earth] [garden]

We have the great white throne judgement and the Beama and we have the divide of the dead "the upper level of hades and the lower" the righteous and the unrighteous

Two places await ......after two divdies and two judgements...

Jesus descended to declare His work and bring those waiting [the righteous] into the knowledge of His resurrection as David declared in the above verse in the Psalms as he saw the resurrection of Christ

What say yea  ?


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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2015, 04:13:06 PM »
So @Jesus4me  !

In the parable of - the  Rich Man and Lazarus....we see people speaking across a great chasm [already created/divide/judgement - before final Judgement]  -  where hell on earth is reversed in eternity

Luke 16:22-26The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham?s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, ?Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.?

25?But Abraham replied, ?Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.?

27?He answered, ?Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.? 29?Abraham replied, ?They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.? 30? ?No, father Abraham,? he said, ?but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.? 31?He said to him, ?If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.? ?


And two compartments /divides exist ? from where the rich man cries out in hell to those in Abraham's bosom

Its like trying to see over the horizon and finding others looking back

Do you think Jesus took the saints of old in Abraham's bosom with Him at that point ?

Not sure why He would visit hell though or draw anyone up from it - but merely to collect the keys Revelation 1:18; I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

Unless of course  He can   release those He chooses from the unseen world of spirits and from death itself

The keys being held by an "angel"  and unlocking doors at Jesus  command Revelation 9:14; It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, "Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates."

The same keys unlocking doors on earth Acts 16:26

Whether these people were /are  released from hell on earth [their prison] or from bondage as Christians




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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #35 on: October 16, 2015, 06:18:39 PM »
Sheol/hades is the place of the dead 

Psalm 16:10?11 Therefore my heart is glad and my glory rejoices; My flesh also will dwell securely. 10For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol; Nor will You allow Your Holy One to undergo decay.

Sheol is the  hebrew for the place of the dead  [THE OLD TESTAMENT is written in hebrew]   and the greek is hades [THE NEW TESTAMENT IS WRITTEN IN GREEK] terminologies such as "paradise" or "abrahams bosom" are heaven [New earth] [garden]

We have the great white throne judgement and the Beama and we have the divide of the dead "the upper level of hades and the lower" the righteous and the unrighteous

Two places await ......after two divdies and two judgements...

Jesus descended to declare His work and bring those waiting [the righteous] into the knowledge of His resurrection as David declared in the above verse in the Psalms as he saw the





 resurrection of Christ

What say yea  ?

Abraham's  bosom was in the underworld, the place of the departed righteous.
Jesus went to he'll,  "Hades", first, He went in our  place,  then when  He was made alive in His Spirit,  He went into Abraham's  bosom and preached the gospel to those in Abraham's bosom.
Teaching God's liberating truth

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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2015, 12:18:10 AM »
Sheol/hades is the place of the dead 

Psalm 16:10?11 Therefore my heart is glad and my glory rejoices; My flesh also will dwell securely. 10For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol; Nor will You allow Your Holy One to undergo decay.

Sheol is the  hebrew for the place of the dead  [THE OLD TESTAMENT is written in hebrew]   and the greek is hades [THE NEW TESTAMENT IS WRITTEN IN GREEK] terminologies such as "paradise" or "abrahams bosom" are heaven [New earth] [garden]

We have the great white throne judgement and the Beama and we have the divide of the dead "the upper level of hades and the lower" the righteous and the unrighteous

Two places await ......after two divdies and two judgements...

Jesus descended to declare His work and bring those waiting [the righteous] into the knowledge of His resurrection as David declared in the above verse in the Psalms as he saw the resurrection of Christ

What say yea  ?


Jesus didn't descend to declare His work, He went to Hell, "Hades", Acts 2: 27, where He suffered, Acts 2: 24, see Lk 16: 22-25.
God didn't loose Jesus from the pains of  physical death, HE DIED. But God did loose Jesus from Spiritual death and the pains of hell.
Jesus went there in our place, so we don't have to go there.
Then when He was made alive in His Spirit, 1 Pet 3: 18, He went to "Tartarus", 1 Pet 3: 19, to proclaim His victory.
Then He went to Abraham's bosom, 1 Pet 4: 6, to preach the gospel to the departed righteous.
Then He rose up physically into His body.

The only two places awaiting after judgment, Is, the lake of fire, "Gehenna", for the sinners, and heaven for the believers.
Christians will be Judged for their works at the bema seat.
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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2015, 12:45:53 AM »
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Then when He was made alive in His Spirit, 1 Pet 3: 18

What is this? what is the semantics of this, what does it mean?

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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2015, 12:03:03 PM »
What is this? what is the semantics of this, what does it mean?



When Jesus cried, "My God, why has thou forsaken me", The Hebrew meaning in, Ps 22: 1 and the Greek meaning in Matt 27: 46. & Mk 15: 34.
Is, "To forsake, To leave and to abandon", God the Father left, abandoned and forsook Jesus, And people without God are spiritually dead.
As we were at one time, Eph 2: 1, & v5, & v12.
The penalty for spiritual death is hell, "Hades",  And Jesus went there, Acts 2: 27, & v31, [With Lk 16: 23--25].
Where He suffered, Acts 2: 24. God didn't loose Jesus from the pains of physical death, HE DIED, But God did loose Jesus from the pains of Spiritual death and hell.

So now we see Jesus Spiritually dead, [Separated from God], and suffering in hell. But thank God Jesus was raised up [First Spiritually], Col 1: 18, Jesus wasn't the first to be raised up from physical death, people in the Old Testament were raised from the dead, and Jesus raised the dead. But Jesus was the first to be born again, [Raised from Spiritual death. 1 Pet 3: 18 tells us that Jesus was made alive in His Spirit, "Made alive" means, To be [Born again, Alive to God, and in fellowship with God].

After Jesus was raised up from Spiritual death, He went to "Tartarus", to proclaim His victory to the fallen angels, 1 Pet 3: 19. Then He went to Abraham's bosom to preach the gospel to the Old Testament righteous. 1 Pet 4: 6.
Then He came up from the underworld, and back into His physical body which was then resurrected.

Jesus died Spiritually so we could live a born again Spiritual life with God, and have a relationship with God.
Jesus went to hell in our place, so we don't have to go there.

I do realise that this teaching is hard for people to understand, But nevertheless the Bible, Hebrew and Greek Bible texts, all prove that Jesus died Spiritually and went to hell.
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Re: Did Christ go to Hell ?
« Reply #39 on: October 17, 2015, 12:29:30 PM »
How was Jesus raised up from hell if He was spiritually dead?

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But God did loose Jesus from the pains of Spiritual death and hell.

How did God do this?

So Jesus death, pain, anguish, torment, stripes didn't end when He took His last breath on the cross, it carried on until He came back up from hell? or had He already taken on Himself the sin of those already in hell whilst on the cross and His sole purpose in hell then was to make sure no one was without His message? those that had gone before him?

Hope you don't mind me asking these questions.

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