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Offline Seeker

Re: What the Holy Spirit will do.
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2015, 09:36:52 AM »

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It is not God who disallows his spirit being poured out on men. It is men who are too full of themselves who are too proud in their own wisdoms and their own methodologies that blockade God's desires.
Luke11v10"For everyone who asks, receives; and he who seeks, finds; and to him who knocks, it will be opened. 11"Now suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a fish; he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he? 12"Or if he is asked for an egg, he will not give him a scorpion, will ?12"Or if he is asked for an egg, he will not give him a scorpion, will he? 13"If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"[/b]


Did you notice that simple phrase, ".............give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him" He didn't say He would give the Holy Spirit to those who had done an induction course, or those who had hands laid on by a priest, or those who had perfected their lives in readiness. No, he poured his spirit on those who asked.

I am one of those who was filled with the Holy Spirit, and speaking in tongues, long before I understood any theology. I also know many who also asked, and received such a baptism of the Holy Spirit.
The only teaching that might be necessary is to let people know that God desires to pour himself into any willing vessel.

I do know that people get baptised in the Holy Spirit without any laying on of hands, etc - yet verses like Acts 8:14-17, particularly verse 17 'Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.' refers to the laying on of hands. I guess I wonder why did those believers not just receive the Holy Spirit - why in that case was it necessary for the laying on of hands for them to receive?

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Re: What the Holy Spirit will do.
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2015, 07:50:25 PM »
What the Holy Spirit will do, and Why then are there no instructions on how to obtain, "The baptism of the Holy Spirit"

Lets have a look first at what Jesus had to say about the Holy Spirit before He was given, and then what Paul had to say after He was given,

Jhn 14:15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments. 
Jhn 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever? 
Jhn 14:17 "the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 

Jhn 16:13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 
Jhn 16:14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 
Jhn 16:15 "All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you. 
Jhn 16:16 "A little while, and you will not see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me, because I go to the Father." 

Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors?not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 
Rom 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 
Rom 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father." 
Rom 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 
Rom 8:17 and if children, then heirs?heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together. 
Rom 8:18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 

You will have noticed that neither person made any mention of an additional blessing that could be obtained by going deeper, and seking to be baptized in the Holy Spirit ?

Does God's Word give instructions on what Christians are expected to do, or can ask to have done ? Well yes of course it does, for example see,

1Cr 11:23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; 
1Cr 11:24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me." 
1Cr 11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." 
1Cr 11:26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes. 

Jam 5:13 Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing psalms. 
Jam 5:14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. 
Jam 5:15 And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. 

Why then are there no instructions on how to obtain, "The baptism of the Holy Spirit" ?

Bless you.

Edwin.



The "Baptism in the Holy Ghost", is a separate experience to the new birth.
[1]Some of the disciples were born again in Jn 20: 21--22, We know Peter was born again at that time, because he loved Jesus, Jn 21: 15--17, One of the Greek word used for, "Love", Is the agape love of God, One cannot have the agape love of God unless they are born again.
So Peter and some others who were in the room in Jn 20, were born again, but they didn't have the fullness of the power until they were baptised in the Holy Ghost,
Acts 1: 8.

[2]The disciples in Acts 8: 14--17, weren't baptised in the Holy Ghost Until the Apostles came and laid hands on them, V17.

[3]Saul was save in Acts 9: 6, but he wasn't baptised in the Holy Ghost until three days later, V17.

[4]The disciples in Acts 19: 1, were saved, but not baptised in the Holy Ghost until Paul laid his hands on them V6,
NOTE, If the baptism in the Holy Ghost was the same experience as the rebirth, why would Paul ask if they had received Him, v2. He would have known they had.

We see four accounts of the rebirth and the baptism in the Holy Ghost being separate experiences.

Also, when people receive the baptism in the Holy Ghost, something is seen, Fire, Acts 2: 3, Simon saw something when the disciples in Acts 8: 17--18. something is heard, Act 2: Wind,  v2,  Tongues, Acts 2: 4--11.
Also, there are five Biblical accounts of people being baptised in the Holy Ghost, and every time they spoke in tongues. Making tongues the Biblical evidence of the baptism in the Holy Ghost.
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Offline Jesus4me

Re: What the Holy Spirit will do.
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2015, 07:54:36 PM »
Thank you all for your comments.

Please find for me a verse of Scripture in which the expression, "The baptism of the Holy Spirit", occurs.

Thank you.

Edwin.


Look at Acts 1: 5, The words of Jesus, He said, "Ye shall be baptised in the Holy Ghost"
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Re: What the Holy Spirit will do.
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2015, 08:03:13 PM »
I do know that people get baptised in the Holy Spirit without any laying on of hands, etc - yet verses like Acts 8:14-17, particularly verse 17 'Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.' refers to the laying on of hands. I guess I wonder why did those believers not just receive the Holy Spirit - why in that case was it necessary for the laying on of hands for them to receive?



We have two Biblical accounts of people being baptised in the Holy Ghost without anyone lying hands on them. Acts 2: 2--4. Acts 10: 44.
I was all alone praying down by the sea, when God baptised me in the Holy Ghost and tongues, I stayed there all night and had a wonderful time with God.
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Re: What the Holy Spirit will do.
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2015, 08:59:01 AM »
See and people wonder why I believe God can use anything, anywhere, anyone, anytime etc, when I keep reading people's experiences like this.  I like how you can just be sat down by the beach, without the need for other people and have that moment/time with God, that is special. 

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Re: What the Holy Spirit will do.
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2015, 09:23:56 AM »
See and people wonder why I believe God can use anything, anywhere, anyone, anytime etc, when I keep reading people's experiences like this.  I like how you can just be sat down by the beach, without the need for other people and have that moment/time with God, that is special.

I agree with you.

However in my darker times, when I am down, etc I do start then thinking - 'why do we need anyone else then/other people? they just confuse matters'.

Sometimes the idea of being reclusive is attractive, although not practical - if it were just myself and God, would that be wrong? I musing :D, but then how would I know if I were going 'wrong'? Well one could argue that God would let me know - that I should lean on God's understanding, not my own, or others. Yet the other side of that argument is that we do 'need'? others? that we are supposedly 'relational' creatures (as in designed for relationships), but then such are fraught with problems. So we are to be in the world, but not of the world - we are meant to have relationships, but not like those of this world? To build one another up - to encourage one another? not to tear down or back bite.

Hmmmmm Sunday at church the verse Proverbs 27:17 'As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another.' was brought up - not 100% sure of meaning of such?

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Re: What the Holy Spirit will do.
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2015, 09:33:10 AM »
There is a time for all things.  A time to be on your own and a time not to be.  Even Jesus took Himself off from time to time to have some alone time.

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