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Re: My thoughts on Jacob's ladder.
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2016, 01:30:25 AM »

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Hi there,

'And He saith unto him,
Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Hereafter ye shall see heaven open,
and the angels of God
ascending and descending
upon the Son of man.'


I can't confirm yet the truth of what Edwin has said concerning the use of the shelter of the Fig Tree, or that  Nathaniel had been reading from Genesis 28 while under it, the Bible account of, John 1:45-51, is wonderful as it stands; but I shall try to find confirmation of these thing, and I thank Edwin for recording his thoughts as he has.

I believe that the Bible is God's Word, and that it is as a sword in the hands of the Holy Spirit.  I believe also that God says what He means, and means just exactly what He says.

The promise made to Nathanael in verse 51, was dependant on the  repentance of the nation of Israel, which did not take place in Nathanael's lifetime: but it will yet take place, for the promises of God are certain and sure: Nathanael will yet see this take place, but now in resurrection life, when the promises made to the Fathers will find fulfilment for the Nation of Israel, for God is faithful and will do it.

Praise His Name!

In Christ Jesus
Cariad

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Re: My thoughts on Jacob's ladder.
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2016, 01:34:13 AM »
Yet how can you have faith in a promise which you cannot see ?

Unless by faith which is not yet seen ?

Based on the promises of God [written word]

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Re: My thoughts on Jacob's ladder.
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2016, 10:50:22 AM »
Yet how can you have faith in a promise which you cannot see ?

Unless by faith which is not yet seen ?

Based on the promises of God [written word]

'Believe me that I am in the Father,
 and the Father in me:
or else believe me for the very works' sake.
'
(Joh 14:11)

Hi TJ's,

The only promise we have to receive by faith, is the gift of life which is in Christ Jesus.  This is the promise of resurrection life which is ours in Christ.  It really is a matter of asking the question, 'Do I believe what God says?' The answer to that question covers all aspects of faith.  It is faith in God, whose promises are certain and sure that matters.  His faithfulness has been evidenced time and again in his dealings with the nation of Israel throughout it's history, recorded in the Old Testament.  Do we believe God is faithful, or do we not?  That is the overriding question. :)

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Cariad

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Re: My thoughts on Jacob's ladder.
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2016, 02:59:32 AM »
And so Israel tried to climb the ladder @Cariad by keeping the laws. -and yet still some knew Jesus by not keeping His laws]

It is true that heaven touches earth and earth touches heaven.

But do you believe that all Israel will be saved [none though none could ever quite meet the mark ...Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

If we have all sinnned then we are no better than Israel ?

And our promise may be in Jesus Christ - however whether we believe in what He speaks to us [in our lives] is quite another thing

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Re: My thoughts on Jacob's ladder.
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2016, 01:52:31 PM »
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'Believe me that I am in the Father,
 and the Father in me:
or else believe me for the very works' sake.'
(Joh 14:11)

Hi TJ's,

The only promise we have to receive by faith, is the gift of life which is in Christ Jesus.  This is the promise of resurrection life which is ours in Christ.  It really is a matter of asking the question, 'Do I believe what God says?' The answer to that question covers all aspects of faith.  It is faith in God, whose promises are certain and sure that matters.  His faithfulness has been evidenced time and again in his dealings with the nation of Israel throughout it's history, recorded in the Old Testament.  Do we believe God is faithful, or do we not?  That is the overriding question. :)

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris   

Hi Cariad and welcome
I've enjoyed reading your post thank you, yes believing what God says even when we may not understand it this is what it's all about faith in that God will keep all his promises have faith and wait on God.

Love and Peace
Dave   

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Re: My thoughts on Jacob's ladder.
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2016, 10:19:15 PM »
Hi @TJ's

You ask me if I believe that all Israel will be saved: and my answer to that is. "yes", for God said so, through Paul, in Romans 11:26,27, and through Jeremiah  in - (Jer 31:31-34) :-

'And so all Israel shall be saved:
as it is written,
There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer,
and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
For this is my covenant unto them,
when I shall take away their sins.
'


'Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
that I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel,
and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;
which my covenant they brake,
although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts,
and write it in their hearts;
and will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour,
and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD:
for they shall all know Me,
from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
for I will forgive their iniquity,
and I will remember their sin no more
.'

(Jer 31:31-34) 

Praise God!

Thank you for responding to my entry, TJ, and for posing this question.
I hope that in answering it I will not be responsible for derailing the thread.
Perhaps if you want to pursue this subject another thread is in order. :)

In Christ Jesus
Cariad

TJ

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Re: My thoughts on Jacob's ladder.
« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2016, 01:34:59 AM »
That's ok Cariad

I had "self effort"in mind - hence the ladder [which fits in with this topic]

Going on with the ladder theme......

Can I ask "If all Israel will/shall/is/has been/ saved - then...That must include the pharisees and sadducees...etc

Surely everyone has a certain communication with God [even the pharisees]

Hence they have built a ladder to God ...

I mean the political parties of that time were as much a part of Israel as the "rich young ruler"

Now I get the feeling that will will say "this is the spiritaul Israel which includes anyone "chosen by God"

If so "then - it is not all of Israel is it ?"

So now we are talking about the "spiritual Israel of God"

And not the Pharisaical  portion of Israel / who attempted to climb the ladder through their own efforts/ as incidently "most of Israel at that time did]


Now if they did not make it before God then neither do we [as most people believe that it is about how we live and not about what we believe]

Opens a can of worms



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Re: My thoughts on Jacob's ladder.
« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2016, 09:38:50 AM »
That's ok Cariad

I had "self effort"in mind - hence the ladder [which fits in with this topic]

Going on with the ladder theme......

Can I ask "If all Israel will/shall/is/has been/ saved - then...That must include the pharisees and sadducees...etc

Surely everyone has a certain communication with God [even the pharisees]

Hence they have built a ladder to God ...

I mean the political parties of that time were as much a part of Israel as the "rich young ruler"

Now I get the feeling that will will say "this is the spiritaul Israel which includes anyone "chosen by God"

If so "then - it is not all of Israel is it ?"

So now we are talking about the "spiritual Israel of God"

And not the Pharisaical  portion of Israel / who attempted to climb the ladder through their own efforts/ as incidently "most of Israel at that time did]


Now if they did not make it before God then neither do we [as most people believe that it is about how we live and not about what we believe]

Opens a can of worms

Hello @TJ's,

Yes, your words bring to mind the words of Paul in Romans 10 concerning Israel as a nation:-

'Brethren,
my heart's desire
and prayer to God for Israel is,
that they might be saved.
For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God,
but not according to knowledge.
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness,
and going about to establish their own righteousness,
have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness
to every one that believeth.'

(Rom. 10:1-4)

How sad this is, isn't it?  Yet, God's promises regarding Israel still stand, and will be fulfilled exactly as promised, not because of anything they have or will do, but because He is faithful that promised. How gracious He is!

It is God's promise, and His faithfulness which is at issue here, and not Israel itself. 

The same applies to us, as believers in the Lord Jesus Christ.  We may not remain faithful, but God will, and the promises of God are sure, He cannot deny Himself, He will perform it. Praise His Holy Name!

He has promised us life, resurrection life, and we will receive it.  However, whether we reign with Him, whether we receive a crown of righteousness to lay at His feet when our race is run, that is another matter.

The way we live - our walk and witness - determines whether we have the privilege of reigning with Him, but the promise of life, in Christ Jesus, is assured us, not on our merit, but on His wondrous grace.

Praise His Name!

Thank you, TJ, for giving me this thought process, for it has blessed me so very much.  I hope it is in line with your thinking.  We are new to each other and are not acquainted with the way we express ourselves, so it may be that I have not answered in the way you would wish.  However I know that you will bear with me in love, for you are the Lord's and His approval is what you seek in His Spirit.

Praise God!

With love in Christ Jesus
Cariad

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