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Offline clark thompson

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I do not think a true believer will die without making things right between him or her and God.
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"We have to presume that they were christians in the first place otherwise the question is nonsense. - "
Why do we have to presume they were christian? We are talking about people who have walked away from everything that is christian. A man who is in love with his wife does not walk away fron his marriage, in the same way a christian does not walk away from his/her saviour.

I cannot comprehend how anyone can imagine that once they have been saved by Jesus's death and resurection that God will allow that person to walk away. The example Paul used was of adoption into a powerfull and wealth family of someone who has nothing. and the question is asking would this adopted son abandon every thing they have gain by that adoption.

It also assumes that we have a measure of control over our salvation. If salvation is all of God, if Jesus hold those who are his in his hand, who imagines that they could leave christianity. Only those who were never part of it.

We have to presume that they were Christians, simply because that was the original question. Asking such a question in regard to non christians is an oxymoron, as such people cannot lose something they never originally possessed.

As for wondering why God would allow anyone to walk away, I am amazed at the question. Does not the whole of scripture illustrate man's complete freewill in his responses to God. The God of the bible is not the same as the Allah of Islam, who commands to kill everyone who does not bow to him. Islam, meaning "submission" permits no freewill and, in comparison, Christianity must never be confused with that kind of doctrine.

Moses challenge of, "Choose you this day, whom you will serve", is repeated from end to end of the bible because God does not want children who obey him just because they are in chains.
Your questioning of someone who has everything, and then abandoning it, is answered clearly by Adam and also by the prodigal son story amongst many others.

The trouble is that people don't necessarily decide to walk completely away, they start to explore things that their flesh desires rather than the spirit desires. Walking away might even just be turning towards legalistic christianity.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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I do not think a true believer will die without making things right between him or her and God.

Can you back this up from scripture?
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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I disagree as I do not believe that a christian will turn away from their saviour. There are those who go through the motions of being a christian but who tire of it and wander away.
As I said, it is Jesus who holds in his hand those who have been given him by God the Father, also Paul in his Romans 8 list of those who can separate us fron God, list many things but just because he doesn't say we can separte ourselfs from Gods love doesn't mean we can.


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I disagree as I do not believe that a christian will turn away from their saviour. There are those who go through the motions of being a christian but who tire of it and wander away.
As I said, it is Jesus who holds in his hand those who have been given him by God the Father, also Paul in his Romans 8 list of those who can separate us fron God, list many things but just because he doesn't say we can separte ourselfs from Gods love doesn't mean we can.

You are conflating eternal salvation, and earthly salvation.

Being saved, or born again is not just about heaven when you're dead. Its about blessings and protection on earth also, that's what salvation means.
I made it clear on earlier posts that we are eternally secure, but we can abandon a close walk with the Lord whilst on earth. Even if the Lord never deserts us, there is no scriptural basis to claim that the Lord will make it impossible for us to desert him, whilst in this life.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

 

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