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Efengylwr71

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Re: Forgive and be forgiven
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2014, 02:45:44 AM »

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I think it was Joyce Meyer who said, "Unforgiveness is like drinking poison and then waiting for the other person to die!" I reckon that's one of the best descriptions yet!
That`s not a bad description coming from an utter false prophetess who pays herself 10 million an year, and is a part of the law of attraction movement started by Madam Blavatsky, Alice bailey and the theosophical society that has sneakily crept into the Christian church. Putting that aside, I think you have hit it on the nail Francis. But I would like to add just one thing (unless Iv`e missed it) And that is, when Jesus says "Neither will your father in heaven forgive you" It also means that if you are not "willing" to forgive, then you "Cannot" receive forgivenness, for people who will not forgive others will not be in a state of mind/spirit to forgive themselves. It`s like those who don`t love themselves, for whatever reason. They are unable to to receive love, because they are unable/unwilling to give it. You give and receive whatever is within you. If you love, then you are in a state of mind to receive it. But if you hate (which is what unforgiveness is all about) then you are not able to receive love (which is what forgiveness is all about) So you can`t receive forgiveness unless you give it, it is that simple. We have to be spiritual sponges, we soak up the water, and when squeezed, we let it out. In other words, we can only let out, what we let in. But I guess that`s what you`re actually saying Francis, and I`m just dissecting a little. But excellent points. Sorry if I`m being a little analytical on a post that doesn`t need much analysis. God bless you all.

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Re: Forgive and be forgiven
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2014, 09:10:11 AM »
Going off on a bit of a tangent maybe, reading your reply Efen  had my mind thinking about in proverbs where it says 'you are fed on what comes out of your mouth'...paraphrased, also do unto others as have done to yourself, you reap what you sow, all this.

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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2015, 08:22:52 PM »
Quote..................Putting that aside, I think you have hit it on the nail Francis. But I would like to add just one thing (unless Iv`e missed it) And that is, when Jesus says "Neither will your father in heaven forgive you" It also means that if you are not "willing" to forgive, then you "Cannot" receive forgivenness, for people who will not forgive others will not be in a state of mind/spirit to forgive themselves............


Dunno how I missed this Efen, but as Rachael has bumped it, here's the answer cut and pasted from the beginning of the thread.

"When God says he will not forgive us, it means that he will not release us from that event, suffering, bondage etc. until we let go of it ourselves!!!!!!.
God's forgiveness has nothing to do with punishment, and it has absolutely nothing to do with whether we go to heaven when we die."


Hope that answers, even after a year.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Forgive and be forgiven
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2015, 02:53:23 AM »
Thus God's sovereign will will be done

But God permits [His permissive will] allows many to lose that which God has already provided and given.

In effect we bind ourselves or  loose ourselves ?

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Re: Forgive and be forgiven
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2015, 09:31:29 AM »
Thus God's sovereign will will be done

But God permits [His permissive will] allows many to lose that which God has already provided and given.

In effect we bind ourselves or  loose ourselves ?

Yes TJ, yes.
My people perish for lack of knowledge!

Very few christians ever get near their inheritance from the Lord. Their refusal to forgive or release demonically inspired hurts, keeps them shackled to the demons of the past till their last breath on this earth. Only in heaven, will they realise their utter foolishness.

One of the most wonderful gifts from the Lord is peace. I revel in the peace of God. I truly revel in it! I honestly know nobody who experiences the peace and joy to the level I found in the Lord as I learned to trust him.

I have been through the crappest of the crappiest crap over the last 15 years and have lived it day by day in the wonderful peace of God, all because I constantly let go, and let go again.

My wife betrayed my, turned all my friends against me. God told me to let her take my manufacturing business away from me. Not satisfied with the biggest share of the divorce, she repeatedly sued me to put the house through a forced sale which left me in negative equity. She forced the sale of the factory premises during the crash which meant I lost almost everything of 25 years hard work. I also lost my pension which was to have come from the business income once I retired.
I was thrown out of yet another church!
Thank God, during this I met and remarried a wonderful woman. How she coped with the disasters i was up to my neck I will never know. But there again, she heard from the Lord in advance that I was going to lose everything. This was long before the Lord told me to ask her out.

The Joy of the lord is our strength. Joy does not come from happy nice circumstances!

From a distance I can see my born again ex wife running the several businesses that the Lord led me to start. I therefore have every human right to be bitter and resentful. But I have far greater riches than her.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Forgive and be forgiven
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2015, 01:15:24 PM »
Yes there are things of far greater value than what we can see

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Re: Forgive and be forgiven
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2015, 05:55:07 AM »
Matthew 6:14 ASV  For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

Does that mean that God has unforgiveness towards me if I do not forgive others ?

Watchman Nee says, ?Frequently the enemy entices Christians to harbor an unforgiving spirit ? a very common symptom indeed among God?s children. Such bitterness and fault-finding and enmity inflict a severe blow upon spiritual life.? Our Lord speaks of how to be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven and uses the picture of a child. My friend, reading this, are you like a child being able to forgive another person a great crime and hurt in your life? Are you able to see unforgiveness as a great sin and it better that your arm or leg were cut off then to hold such a bitter grudge? No matter how godly we are or how much progress we have made on the Christian life, if we are not able to forgive others as Christ forgave then we will start to be greatly hindered in our progress towards Christ-likeness. Peter saw it as impossible to forgive so much, yet when he failed the Lord and denied him three times, then he began to understand the Lord?s heart for those who fail. Jesus asks us this question today, ?Do you love me?? (John 21:17). If we love the Lord and understand his grace and love we will be able to help his little ones, forgive their failings, and restore them and help them grow. Such a heart is not just for a pastor and leader in God?s Church but for all members to share the heart of the Great Shepherd to see forgiveness and restoration happen. God?s grace and love is like an ocean and his forgiveness like the bottomless depths, if you have been a partaker of it, you will show it to others.

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Re: Forgive and be forgiven
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2015, 11:17:30 PM »
Dunno how I missed this Efen, but as Rachael has bumped it, here's the answer cut and pasted from the beginning of the thread.

"When God says he will not forgive us, it means that he will not release us from that event, suffering, bondage etc. until we let go of it ourselves!!!!!!.
God's forgiveness has nothing to do with punishment, and it has absolutely nothing to do with whether we go to heaven when we die."


Hope that answers, even after a year.

Yes it does thanks lol

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From a distance I can see my born again ex wife running the several businesses that the Lord led me to start. I therefore have every human right to be bitter and resentful. But I have far greater riches than her.

Well yes again, where your treasure is there's your heart.

Watchman Nee says, ?Frequently the enemy entices Christians to harbor an unforgiving spirit ? a very common symptom indeed among God?s children. Such bitterness and fault-finding and enmity inflict a severe blow upon spiritual life.? Our Lord speaks of how to be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven and uses the picture of a child. My friend, reading this, are you like a child being able to forgive another person a great crime and hurt in your life? Are you able to see unforgiveness as a great sin and it better that your arm or leg were cut off then to hold such a bitter grudge? No matter how godly we are or how much progress we have made on the Christian life, if we are not able to forgive others as Christ forgave then we will start to be greatly hindered in our progress towards Christ-likeness. Peter saw it as impossible to forgive so much, yet when he failed the Lord and denied him three times, then he began to understand the Lord?s heart for those who fail. Jesus asks us this question today, ?Do you love me?? (John 21:17). If we love the Lord and understand his grace and love we will be able to help his little ones, forgive their failings, and restore them and help them grow. Such a heart is not just for a pastor and leader in God?s Church but for all members to share the heart of the Great Shepherd to see forgiveness and restoration happen. God?s grace and love is like an ocean and his forgiveness like the bottomless depths, if you have been a partaker of it, you will show it to others.

Yes, great post.


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