Is Sin a sin when not recogised ?

[Cariad]

Hi Chris
Thank you for your excellent post I enjoyed reading them l would like to make a comment on this verse from Job.

'For I know that My Redeemer liveth
and that He shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
And though after my skin worms destroy this body,
yet in my flesh shall I see God:
Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another;
though my reins be consumed within me.'
(Job 19:25-27)     

I thought about this the other day, should we say I believe or should we say as Job say here I know.
When we say I believe it has the sense that there is an alternative but when we say I know there is no alternative its a statement of fact.
So shall we say I believe or I know??????

Love and Peace
Dave

'For I know that My Redeemer liveth
and that He shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
And though after my skin worms destroy this body,
yet in my flesh shall I see God:
Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another;
though my reins be consumed within me.'
(Job 19:25-27)

Hi Dave,

I believe that Job was assured that His Redeemer (Kinsman Redeemer) lived, so assured that in the previous verses he declared that he wanted this knowledge engraved in stone. 

* Paul speaks of a 'full assurance of faith' in Hebrews 10:22, and in (Col 2:2-3) he speaks of 'the full assurance of understanding':-

'That their hearts might be comforted,
being knit together in love,
and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding,
to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God,
and of the Father, and of Christ;
In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.'
 
* So acknowledging that you 'know', and that you 'believe', has no note of indecision about it. Both are the acknowledgement of a fact acquired by faith, and the expression of that faith.

*  Faith, we are told, in Heb 11:1, ' ... is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.' Also, that word 'hoped' does not hold any doubt within it either: for the One Who has caused us to hope is God, with the entrance of His Word, which brought light, understanding, assurance and faith (or belief).  So that our hope 'in Christ' is sure.

Praise God!

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

[TJ's]

Yes the immediate response being .

'And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day;
and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.
And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about,
that Job sent and sanctified them,
and rose up early in the morning,
and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all:
for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned,
and cursed God in their hearts.
Thus did Job continually.'
(Job 1:4-5)   

Yes the responses of the listeners[ as in the book of Job]


Go further into Job 1:6  One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.


I love the relatonaship between Job and God and how personal it was .

Meanwhile the children seemed to / the workman / all family was gone - and how God restored it.

Job lost evrything / his family and everything - all his workmates..

Ahh so close to my heart...