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Offline John

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Re: Is Sin a sin when not recogised ?
« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2020, 10:58:41 PM »
Dave,
           Hebrews 9:27 given to men to die once and then come judgement.

Yes the dead will be raised but as Jesus said in the parabell of sheep and goats, he will separate those who have served him for a reward from those who have not been his and they will be punished.

The point about today being the day of salvation is when one has died, that is it.

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Re: Is Sin a sin when not recogised ?
« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2020, 01:34:36 PM »
Hi John
Thanks for your reply  we need to remember that judgement can have two outcomes  guilty or not guilty and its God who will judge best leave it to him.
When will Jesus seperate the goats from the sheep it will be after his second coming his millennial reign why will it take so long.
I know its silly but I think God Loves us and will do everything in his power to save as many as possible.

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Dave

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Re: Is Sin a sin when not recogised ?
« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2020, 10:05:15 PM »
Have you never read and understood what Jesus actually said? In John 3:18 who ever believes in him is not condemned BUT who ever does NOT believe in him stands condemned Already because they have not believed in God's one and only son.

To me that means someone who does and they are not a Christian they can only expect God's condemnation, that is eternal separation from all that is good, that is God.

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Re: Is Sin a sin when not recogised ?
« Reply #35 on: September 20, 2020, 11:38:14 AM »
Hi John
Thanks for your reply  but are you saying that everyone who has never heard of Jesus Christ will be condemned  that would mean most of the human race that ever lived.
To believe in someone you have to know about them if no one tells you you can't  possibly  believe
Are you saying the God who created the heavens and the earth and everything in them can only manage to save a very small group from all the billions that ever lived.

   Then God said, ?Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.?
Genesis 1:26 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/gen.1.26.ESV     


The word man should be thought of as mankind and the word our image can mean God and the heavenly host so at the end of the millenium God will have achieved  what he set out to do mankind in his image and the cement that holds everything together is LOVE.

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Dave


https://bible.com/bible/59/gen.1.26.ESV

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Re: Is Sin a sin when not recogised ?
« Reply #36 on: September 20, 2020, 02:28:30 PM »
Follow the reasoning where it leads Dave. If salvation is Only through faith in Jesus as the whole Bible teaches then what happens to those who do not believe.

Human reasoning as well as biblical reasoning says that ignorance of the law is not an excuse.

The heavens declare he glory of God, day after day they proclaim his glory.


Knock and it will be opened, ask and you will receive,

God is not far off, but who is it that Will not, that will not turn to God?
Yet you would blame God, for each individual refusal to turn to him.

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« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2020, 03:57:40 PM »
Follow the reasoning where it leads Dave. If salvation is Only through faith in Jesus as the whole Bible teaches then what happens to those who do not believe.

I have answered this question several times you can not believe in Jesus if you have never heard of him to have faith in Jesus you must have heard about him and what he has done everything is created by him and for him so there's a lot to learn before anyone can have faith in him.
this means everyone has to hear the gospel and accept him or reject him it will always be the individuals choice   


Human reasoning as well as biblical reasoning says that ignorance of the law is not an excuse.

You will have to show me the scripture that says this I cant find it   

The heavens declare he glory of God, day after day they proclaim his glory.

Very true but someone looking at Gods glorious creation and had never heard of the God of the Bible how could he attribute it God


Knock and it will be opened, ask and you will receive,

This again is very true but you still need someone to tell you which door to knock on     

God is not far off, but who is it that Will not, that will not turn to God?
Yet you would blame God, for each individual refusal to turn to him.

Where did you get the idea that I blame God I don't Blame God for anything Its every persons free will right to accept God through Jesus Christ or reject him as they will but before they can make that choice they have to Know who Jesus is and the only way they can possibly Know him is if someone preaches the good news to them     

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Re: Is Sin a sin when not recogised ?
« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2020, 09:11:22 PM »
Have you never read Romans 1:18-22 the key part says they have no excuse for God  is clearly seen in creation.

The grace of God is such that anyone who is seeking him will find him.

Through out the bible it is clear that there is a consequence of not following and serving God.

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Re: Is Sin a sin when not recogised ?
« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2020, 08:41:23 AM »
I was thinking of Romans1 when reading through this yesterday.
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